Is porn rape?

You have to buy her consent first. Otherwise it is slavery.

I don’t know whether money undermines consent - I can see both sides of that argument - but what bothers me about prostitution is that I feel it reduces women to objects that can be bought and used for men’s sexual gratification, and I find that sickening.

You are talking rubbish. 🙄

So what counts as consent for sex thfn?

It's only valid if the other person is horny?

Or can they do it to be nice/get pregnant/make a good impression/any other reason?

How is that supposed to work, legally and socially?

Should we go around assessing if people are really giving consent or have some ulterior motives to agree to sex?

If giving money means version, what does that mean for other forms of money exchange? Can I pay for a poor woman to clean my house?

It gets crazy fast and it undermines women's autonomy if money invalidates consent.

I don't watch porn so I will take your word for it.
However, if all the participants are adult, consensual and of sound mind, it isn't rape.

I really wish some people would look up the definition of rape before they post.

With prostitution with a client, one person wants sex, one wants money. I can get thinking that isn’t true consent.

Not sure how too people choosing to make pornographic content together is rape (unless there’s rape involved in the sense of the word).

Are both then rapists or are both victims? If a hetero pair, the male is the default rapist? If it’s a couple it’s also rape?

In lesbian porn are the women raping each other? Same question for gay men.

You may accept prostitution is rape, I certainly don't, and neither do others.
Porn is porn.
Prostitution is prostitution.
Rape is rape.
Sometimes the edges can be blurred, but they all have different meanings.

“Porn” can be a solo woman uploading topless/nude photos, or sexual videos of herself. Or a man doing the same. Or a couple uploading videos together from their bedroom.

I could understand saying that prostitution is rape, but a blanket assertion on porn? No.

You cant separate rape and the legal definition. Rape has a very specific criterion...

• A person intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person with their penis.
• The other person does not consent to the penetration.
• The offender does not reasonably believe that the other person consents

Saying porn is exploitative makes the assumption that people (not just women) are forced into the industry and dont consent. I am uncomfortable with making broad claims that women arent agentic, with minds of their own. Yes there are instances where people are forced into porn, though we would need data on that as I dont think its the rule.

If one opts to use their body to make money, even if they arent interested in the person sexually, then in my view that is consent. If one walks into a studio (I am talking legitmate porn companies here) and the expectation is that one will have sex in front of a camera for money then no it isnt rape (unless consent is withdrawn at any point obviously.)

Could I use my body in porn? Yes. Would I make money? Probably. Would I do it? No. Nothing would make me do it when there are options out there (including having to live in a hostel).

Porn is porn. Rape is rape.

Recording whilst raping someone is not porn. Its recorded rape. Porn has nothing that makes it rape, inherently.

Porn for me is recorded sex between two consenting adults for entertainment purposes. Making an unwise choice (doing porn) isnt the same as lacking capacity to consent to sex. Many women enjoy making porn. Many men do to. And many of both sexes do it because of limited alternatives. But unless you are being forced to make porn, it is a choice. Having no other options is not, in my view, being forced. I would rather live on the streets than engage in porn unvoluntarily.

I am really worried about fragilising pornstars of both sexes. They are adults who make decision (again wd shouldnt assume all people in porn are forced to do porn).

Personally I am not all that into porn so its just an outside view.

"In past studies, some 85 to 90% of women in the porn industry and those in the sex industry were sexually abused as children or young girls."

You are the one who is naive if you believe these false statistics.

Griffith et al. (2013), published in the Journal of Sex Research, compared 177 female pornographic performers with a group of women matched for age, ethnicity and marital status. The researchers found no difference in the incidence of childhood sexual abuse between the two groups. They also found that the performers had higher self-esteem, more positive feelings, greater social support and greater sexual satisfaction than the comparison group.

Pornography actresses: an assessment of the damaged goods hypothesis - PubMed

Grossly offensive for anyone who has been raped

Scotland isn't going to be different from England and Wales. The figures are surprisingly consistent all over the world even in countries like Cambodia. We have no reason to believe that Melissa Farley's figure of 60% of prostitutes being enslaved applies to Scotland but not England and Wales. It isn't true anywhere.

I mean, no. People do have the ability to decide to do things for money, including things they wouldn't otherwise choose to do.

No one thinks that means they didn't consent. There all all kinds of instances where people choose to go things for money. Do we really think that invalidates their ability as adults to agree?

We can say sex for money is a bad thing, for all kinds of reasons including the high chance of exploitation, without saying that it is rape.

"Of course both prostitution and porn involve rape. Both should be banned."

Rape is banned...or legally forbidden, which amounts to the same thing.

Yes and they'd have heart attacks on here if they knew that...sometimes....the prostitute actually enjoys it if the client is attractive (read interviews about it)

Fuck me. The naivety sometimes expressed in posts on here astounds me. As if they’re written by a 12 years old after watching Pretty Woman.

What the crazies on here think is that the porn and prostitution industries are both structured around exploitation of women and girls. End of. That includes violence and rape. Some defend this horrific exploitation by muttering the seemingly magic words ‘consent’ or sometimes ‘informed consent’.

In past studies, some 85 to 90% of women in the porn industry and those in the sex industry were sexually abused as children or young girls. Many have been in care. Many from abusive or negligent families. Many are undiagnosed with specific learning needs. How does that suggest consent? No confident, educated woman with options does it.

One report discussed a young woman who on entering the porn industry was told the scene called for double anal without protection. She ended up with massive tears and HIV positive from that first experience. How ‘informed’ does anyone think a young vulnerable woman might have been about that FFS.

The women I’ve met in sex work had no other financial options, were drug addicts and/or hated themselves and dissociated from their bodies to cope. They pretend it’s happening to someone else.

I knew of one solicitor who’s job it was to write contracts for the porn industry and he wrote such complicated contracts so that young women (let alone those with with Send) would’ve had no idea that they were contractually agreeing to be filmed having sex with animals and much much worse.

Of course both prostitution and porn involve rape. Both should be banned.

Is paying for sex not just coercing someone into sex using money rather than force? If they wouldn’t do it for free, it’s coerced. They’re putting aside their disgust and distaste and generally not wanting it, for money.

Look up the definition of rape.

Prostitution is paid for rape, which ever way up you look at it. The women would not have sex with those men if they were not paid. The women are being exploited as though selling bodies was acceptable. It isn't. Some would describe prostituted women as enslaved, some prostituted women ARE slaves. Women are not empowered by prostitution and it isn't a free choice i.e. women would choose other ways of making money if they could. They may put a positive face on being raped daily for money but the damage it does to them psychologically and physically is something of which they are well aware.
And no, I don't like prostitution. It insinuates that men are entitled to sex and it is okay to pay for it. No-one is entitled to sex and paying for it means you pay to rape and you are a rapist - and such men see women as things, not people.
I would like to see the men who sell women and the men who buy them criminalised.