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Transgender person elected as Deputy Mayor in Sydney

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Catcentral · 24/09/2026 04:53

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ElenOfTheWays · Today 00:28

I see there's a transmaiden/TRA on the MN mod team again.

quite a few arbitrary deletions today I've noticed - of posts that when I read them were not violations of the guidelines at all. Unless it's just a lazy newbie who gets a report and just hits delete without reading the actual post.
I can't be arsed to ask why my post went - remember when you used to get an email explaining?
I expect it was that I upset TPA by telling the truth about trans privilege.
I daresay it's "not in the spirit" to upset TRA ploppers by disagreeing with their sexist bullshit.
Or maybe it's because I used the popular trans trope "girl dick" while being female.

Who knows. I didn't break any guidelines. (I wasn't insulting to TPA.) But neither did the other posters I saw deleted today.

Getting sick of this bullshit now.

Wishesandhorses · Yesterday 14:49

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Every word of this. Well said.

The privilege is dripping all over the fact that actual women are expected to believe and mouth this utter tripe and pretend - including pretending that the sissification is just another particularly vile and very very obvious part of the fetish driving many of these men!

This is requiring women to participate in and enable their own oppression, under coercion. And frequently fantastically disturbed threats of sexual violence.

Ffs. No I also will not play this game, because that is all it is. And a lot of the reason for men wanting women to play this game is because it's a sexual buzz.

ElenOfTheWays · Yesterday 14:44

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FanOfGailDines · 25/09/2026 20:13

Smokeywater · 25/09/2026 06:40

Looks like she is the first 'female' person to win - a quick look at the previous mayors shows the rest going back to 1842 are men - wonderful

I think there have been female deputy mayors in Sydney in the past.

fatsausages · 25/09/2026 17:08

If a man can't accept himself, how does he expect others to accept him whilst pretending to be a she.
The world has gone mad, this nonsense needs to stop.
A biological man can never be a woman, a 5 year old knows that, yet many grown adults believe they can.

Stop the world I wanna get off.

BunnyBunbunbun · 25/09/2026 14:27

Lexibletheflexible · 25/09/2026 14:00

What would that have to do with your working day?

Why would me noticing that someone identifies as trans mean I'd lose my job, to refer to your original comment?

Having a co-worker who identifies as trans wouldn't particularly affect my working day. Being forced to lie and pretend he/she is the opposite sex might, however, which is an issue in Australia but thankfully not so much in the UK.

We're talking about someone who is a city councillor, however, not regular jobs.

Lexibletheflexible · 25/09/2026 14:00

BunnyBunbunbun · 25/09/2026 09:14

This bloke parades the fact that he identifies as "trans" and is obviously a cross-dressing man.

What's more likely to occur is that it's quite easy to tell when a bloke is trying to pass as a woman.

What would that have to do with your working day?

NotBadConsidering · 25/09/2026 12:32

PeachyDaisy · 25/09/2026 11:46

Unfortunately I do still believe that the only hope we have left is with legislative change at the federal level (and I say this as sadly a woman who is stuck living in australia). Taking a similar case to the high court (one like giggle v tickle) is probably not going to be successful, even if we had a gender critical council willing to take it that far.

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I agree. But apart from a One Nation majority government, the only hope of legislative change is a case so egregiously offensive in the public eye once again that politicians just won’t be able to ignore it.

PeachyDaisy · 25/09/2026 11:46

Unfortunately I do still believe that the only hope we have left is with legislative change at the federal level (and I say this as sadly a woman who is stuck living in australia). Taking a similar case to the high court (one like giggle v tickle) is probably not going to be successful, even if we had a gender critical council willing to take it that far.

NotBadConsidering · 25/09/2026 11:30

PeachyDaisy · 25/09/2026 09:39

I'm not sure that a deputy mayor can make laws around who can enter single sex spaces. The law that allowed this was introduced in 2013 by the federal government. It is already in affect. Worrying that he is going to embed this policy is silly when it is already embedded in law throughout the country.

The only way to fix it is to change the law through parliament. Hiring a gender critical mayor is not going to fix it as they legally can't stop transwomen from going into women's spaces.

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No, he can’t make a law. But he can impact how councils respond to complaints. It’s not silly. The only time the law has ever been challenged is with Tickle vs Giggle. No one even knew the law is how it’s written until the final outcome of this case a month ago. And would the same be applied to a better argued case involving a council swimming pool changing room, for example?

A “gender critical” council could decide its facilities are going to remain single sex and it would require the next Tickle to challenge that in court, forcing the reality of the SDA into the public eye once again.

But if a woman’s boundaries are transgressed in this man’s council, would her complaint even be heard?

His appointment just reduces the number of people on the side of women in positions of influence.

PeachyDaisy · 25/09/2026 09:39

NotBadConsidering · 25/09/2026 09:21

With no laws to otherwise protect those spaces in Australia, I see this as another step backwards for womens rights.

This is exactly right. Public toilets, changing rooms, etc are under the remit of local councils. Which is more likely: that this man will help protect women’s spaces, or embed policies into local council that allows males into women’s spaces?

I'm not sure that a deputy mayor can make laws around who can enter single sex spaces. The law that allowed this was introduced in 2013 by the federal government. It is already in affect. Worrying that he is going to embed this policy is silly when it is already embedded in law throughout the country.

The only way to fix it is to change the law through parliament. Hiring a gender critical mayor is not going to fix it as they legally can't stop transwomen from going into women's spaces.

BackToLurk · 25/09/2026 09:36

FlirtsWithRhinos · 25/09/2026 09:27

Hey that's some projection there!

As the person who posed the question, I was thinking simply hypothetically, if a Genderist did know, what would they do? I think anyone with enough nouse to be interviewing others can do that thought experiment if they want to. And really in their own mind they already know the answer whether they reply or not.

Although you do of course highlight a significant point here. A woman wearing, oh let's say a subtle gender critical feminist earring or even a clear political t-shirt would be seen as needlessly politically provocative because she has the choice not to.

A man turning up as "a woman", which many women find just as deeply offensive and belittling as he would find her earrings, is not seen as politically provocative because the assumption is he does not have "a choice" amd therefore it would be nasty to object.

So contrary to your assumption, the vast majority of women who are gender critical feminists do not make any such statements at work unless pushed into it by clear Genderist favouritism or EA breaches like the recent court cases. We find each other by what we don't say.

In this way, as so often we see in society, women's real feelings about the situation are invisibled because it's not "nice" to let them be known, and society can pretend the man's preference is neutral and widely accepted.

The pairing of GC views with ‘accusatory and discriminatory remarks against trans people’ I s quite the tell.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 25/09/2026 09:27

Lexibletheflexible · 25/09/2026 05:03

Why would it come up in the majority of interviews?

What is more likely to occur is that someone GC commits some sort of wrongdoing against others at work by revealing their GC views through accusatory and discriminatory remarks against trans people. They will then be disciplined or let go due to their actions.

Hey that's some projection there!

As the person who posed the question, I was thinking simply hypothetically, if a Genderist did know, what would they do? I think anyone with enough nouse to be interviewing others can do that thought experiment if they want to. And really in their own mind they already know the answer whether they reply or not.

Although you do of course highlight a significant point here. A woman wearing, oh let's say a subtle gender critical feminist earring or even a clear political t-shirt would be seen as needlessly politically provocative because she has the choice not to.

A man turning up as "a woman", which many women find just as deeply offensive and belittling as he would find her earrings, is not seen as politically provocative because the assumption is he does not have "a choice" amd therefore it would be nasty to object.

So contrary to your assumption, the vast majority of women who are gender critical feminists do not make any such statements at work unless pushed into it by clear Genderist favouritism or EA breaches like the recent court cases. We find each other by what we don't say.

In this way, as so often we see in society, women's real feelings about the situation are invisibled because it's not "nice" to let them be known, and society can pretend the man's preference is neutral and widely accepted.

NotBadConsidering · 25/09/2026 09:21

Manyanamanyana · 24/09/2026 23:57

It might be helpful to provide some Australian context.
The Australian Sex Discrimination Act was amended in 2013 to remove the definition of "man" and "woman" as a biological distinction, and "gender identity" was included in such a way that anyone with female as their gender identity can now be considered, in law, to be female. The impact of this, as it is currently being interpreted by the High, and the Supreme court, is that biological women are no different to men who claim a female gender identity. In short, we have no legal grounds for sex-segregated spaces, and any that remain are open to a legal challenge that will be won. Some people celebrate this as progress, but there are many of us who understand that this has a detrimental impact on wmen and on girls.
City Councils in Australia are responsible for a broad range of local services and facilities, including parks and their public toilets, public swimming pools, libraries, public building hire, and local by-laws such as protest permits and such like. The Deputy Mayor is the 2IC of the elected council. The Mayor and the Deputy Mayor are typically, and in this case NSW is typical, voted in by the council, rather than directly by the public.
In a city the size of Sydney, this gives the Mayor and the Deputy Mayor considerable influence over services and facilities relied on by many women and girls in their day to day lives. Public swimming pool and public toilet facilities, local libraries where mums and babies and toddlers go for weekly story group time etc. Councils also provide grants for local community groups, sports clubs etc. Womens groups must apply to council for the Australian version of the "let women speak" gatherings and such.
It was in this context that my post questioned, well tbh, assumed that considerations of the needs of women and girls to have legal sex-based boundaries in place are under further threat when the Deputy Mayor, a person with considerable power and influence, shares the ideology that men can be women, and therefore should have access to spaces previously for women only.
Watching the legal environment in Australia deteriorate for women in this way has made me angry and outspoken, and I can see by some of the commentary on here that angry and outspoken women with sex-realist views must tone-police themselves, lest thay come across as angry and outspoken, and give those who are stripping away our rights in the face of a largely silent electorate, ammunition to say, well, they are angry.
When a male person claims a female identity, I do make some assumptions. I will assume that they wish to support the trans community in their desire to access female spaces. With no laws to otherwise protect those spaces in Australia, I see this as another step backwards for womens rights.

With no laws to otherwise protect those spaces in Australia, I see this as another step backwards for womens rights.

This is exactly right. Public toilets, changing rooms, etc are under the remit of local councils. Which is more likely: that this man will help protect women’s spaces, or embed policies into local council that allows males into women’s spaces?

BunnyBunbunbun · 25/09/2026 09:14

Lexibletheflexible · 25/09/2026 05:03

Why would it come up in the majority of interviews?

What is more likely to occur is that someone GC commits some sort of wrongdoing against others at work by revealing their GC views through accusatory and discriminatory remarks against trans people. They will then be disciplined or let go due to their actions.

This bloke parades the fact that he identifies as "trans" and is obviously a cross-dressing man.

What's more likely to occur is that it's quite easy to tell when a bloke is trying to pass as a woman.

roseyposey · 25/09/2026 06:52

Smokeywater · 25/09/2026 06:40

Looks like she is the first 'female' person to win - a quick look at the previous mayors shows the rest going back to 1842 are men - wonderful

Another first for women! (🧐)

Lexibletheflexible · 25/09/2026 06:51

BackToLurk · 25/09/2026 06:50

Ah, so you’re a bigot. Good to know.

Ok

BackToLurk · 25/09/2026 06:50

Lexibletheflexible · 25/09/2026 06:47

It doesn't have to, either.

Ah, so you’re a bigot. Good to know.

Lexibletheflexible · 25/09/2026 06:47

BackToLurk · 25/09/2026 06:43

Why would it come up that someone is trans?

It doesn't have to, either.

BackToLurk · 25/09/2026 06:43

Lexibletheflexible · 25/09/2026 05:03

Why would it come up in the majority of interviews?

What is more likely to occur is that someone GC commits some sort of wrongdoing against others at work by revealing their GC views through accusatory and discriminatory remarks against trans people. They will then be disciplined or let go due to their actions.

Why would it come up that someone is trans?

Smokeywater · 25/09/2026 06:40

Looks like she is the first 'female' person to win - a quick look at the previous mayors shows the rest going back to 1842 are men - wonderful

PeachyDaisy · 25/09/2026 06:12

I don't think assumptions are always bad but I think we just have to be careful if it means excluding a whole group. For example I would be pretty sad if an employer decided not to hire me because I'm a woman of childbearing age and am statistically likely to have children/go on maternity leave (I'm infertile but they wouldn't know that). Sometimes assumptions can be wrong.

Lexibletheflexible · 25/09/2026 05:52

Manyanamanyana · 25/09/2026 05:48

It doesn't sound like it @FlirtsWithRhinos - womens thought crimes are very very serious because they hurt men's feelings.

I think it's probably more likely one will offend someone who is female but trans or NB and not for a "thought crime" because people cannot read thoughts. It will be due to something they said or did in the workplace.

Manyanamanyana · 25/09/2026 05:48

Lexibletheflexible · 25/09/2026 05:03

Why would it come up in the majority of interviews?

What is more likely to occur is that someone GC commits some sort of wrongdoing against others at work by revealing their GC views through accusatory and discriminatory remarks against trans people. They will then be disciplined or let go due to their actions.

It doesn't sound like it @FlirtsWithRhinos - womens thought crimes are very very serious because they hurt men's feelings.

Rollingpinofdoom · 25/09/2026 05:44

BunnyBunbunbun · 24/09/2026 20:28

Isn't you calling someone who identifies as a woman "he" discrimination and phobia?

No. It’s using the correct pronouns for that persons sex. To use she/her would be to insinuate that person is a woman. That person is male. Not a woman. If he wants to wear dresses etc, good on him. He can have a blast. As long as he uses male spaces whilst doing so theres no problem is there.