Teenage boy receives referral order after stabbing girl who rejected him

I forgot to add,the lad in question comes into my work (retail) and yep,your right

He's a cocky little twat who is banned but that doesn't stop him-he just tries to sneak in (we sling him out and he struts back in)

This young lady is lovely (I know her lovely family) and is very upset (I don't blame her) from what I can gather,he's been chasing her for months and nobody cares

He's always trying to touch up other girls and all they seem to get back is 'he likes you' or 'just ignore him' (im sick of hearing a girl scream and he's standing there,smirking)

That's the same shite I got at school (I left over 30 years ago) and nothing has changed

It's why I get so angry at 'lessons will very learned'

They are never learned but it's a good soundbite to trot out when yet another woman is raped/killed/badly hurt

If they where serious,then they'd clamp down on this behaviour and do something about it

But they won't because its expensive and 'lads will be lads'

I've been touched up 10 times over almost 11 years at work

7 of those times the police didn't bother to come out,twice they didn't even bother to watch the cctv/spoke to me like I was making a fuss over nothing and once walked in with 'what do you want us to do about the man who pinned you against the bin and touched you in your knickers?'

'Do your job and arrest him,you have the cctv as proof' was the wrong answer apparently

Not once where these males spoken to,let alone arrested or charged

Somehow,it's my fault for daring to have a job so that means I'm fair game

He’s 14 and he pleaded guilty. In those circumstances the sentencing guidelines suggest that a referral order must be imposed except for the most serious offences.

Stabbing is awful but it doesn’t seem to be the most serious offence. The most important thing here is to make sure that he doesn’t do this again. Imprisonment would not do that.

If you’re objecting to the sentence, you must be clear about the sentencing guidelines and state why they were not properly followed.

I forgot to add,the lad in question comes into my work (retail) and yep,your right

He's a cocky little twat who is banned but that doesn't stop him-he just tries to sneak in (we sling him out and he struts back in)

This young lady is lovely (I know her lovely family) and is very upset (I don't blame her) from what I can gather,he's been chasing her for months and nobody cares

He's always trying to touch up other girls and all they seem to get back is 'he likes you' or 'just ignore him' (im sick of hearing a girl scream and he's standing there,smirking)

That's the same shite I got at school (I left over 30 years ago) and nothing has changed

It's why I get so angry at 'lessons will very learned'

They are never learned but it's a good soundbite to trot out when yet another woman is raped/killed/badly hurt

If they where serious,then they'd clamp down on this behaviour and do something about it

But they won't because its expensive and 'lads will be lads'

I've been touched up 10 times over almost 11 years at work

7 of those times the police didn't bother to come out,twice they didn't even bother to watch the cctv/spoke to me like I was making a fuss over nothing and once walked in with 'what do you want us to do about the man who pinned you against the bin and touched you in your knickers?'

'Do your job and arrest him,you have the cctv as proof' was the wrong answer apparently

Not once where these males spoken to,let alone arrested or charged

Somehow,it's my fault for daring to have a job so that means I'm fair game

That's a rapist in the making and future abuser of girls and women.

'Sentencing the boy, Judge Ian Lawrie told the court the stabbing was a "very troubling event" but he did not take the view that the offender was a "danger".
He said: "He's still young. And he is capable of learning."
The judge told the court he was "surprised" the boy had spent three months in custody as "while the offences are serious", it was "inconsistent" with the usual process for youth cases.'

from the BBC link.

Looking at the list the crimes he was charged with dont seem to be ones where the sentence can be reviewed. I still think it's worth putting in a complaint and if told the sentence cant be reviewed then taking it up with your MP and the useless misogyny taskforce. Lets at least expose the hypocrisy.

Heard all about the failures of the perpetrator's parents in relation to the horrific Southport attacks. I guess as the male offender is white, there's no need to scrutinise and judge his family background.

Or will his parents face some consequences for raising a violent child, happy to act on his violent thoughts? As a 14yo, don't his parents have some legal liability?

Not my child but I know of a grandma who's teen dgd (I think she's a very 'young' 14 year old,for context) was walking home from school,minding her own business when another teen (a lad) from her school grabbed her on the back of her neck,pinned her down,rummaged in his pants and told her to 'kiss my cock' while shoving it in her face

She refused and managed to get away from him-she's badly shaken and upset (who wouldn't be?)

What have the school/police done?

Nothing-the school say its not on their land so can't do anything and the police have told her to walk the longer way home and to avoid him at school

His parents have just shrugged and said 'we'll have a word'

Hes strutting around thinking he's untouchable (and let's face it,he is until he goes too far,which is just a matter of time) with his mates cheering him on

It's been going on forever-i remember being assaulted by classmates and fuck all was done

It's not 'boys will be boys' it's dangerous and all girls/women deserve better

That poor girl-what a joke of a sentence

I read somewhere (just a few days ago but cant remember where) a woman saying 'i do NOT want my murder to be a safety warning for other women'

Sadly,it's a real threat to us all and all they do is trot out 'lessons will be learned' but they never are

Agree.

This does not seem to be a system intended for this severity of violent offending - that the girl survived the attack seems to be mostly luck rather than lack of his intent.

Although I briefly had contact with a secure centre for teens through work, years back. I was horrified that it appeared little more than containment and entertainment. Very little of any value appeared to be happening there beyond everyone got through the shift, and there was a lot of smashing up of the environment and violent behaviour. I hope there was more to it than what was apparent, I really do.

And there were issues of what happened to girls within secure centres, (obviously predictable issues) which I think if I recall were supposed to be single sex but weren't? To do with the girls being a much smaller population and places being hard to find. The range and background of the kids there was also highly concerning, in that the population could include severely traumatised kids who just couldn't be kept off the street any other way and were there for their own safety, alongside severely violent offenders.

I have no idea of the bill of containing this boy in such a placement for years, with really no other goal than removing him from the streets/schools as a risk to everyone else.

Not my child but I know of a grandma who's teen dgd (I think she's a very 'young' 14 year old,for context) was walking home from school,minding her own business when another teen (a lad) from her school grabbed her on the back of her neck,pinned her down,rummaged in his pants and told her to 'kiss my cock' while shoving it in her face

She refused and managed to get away from him-she's badly shaken and upset (who wouldn't be?)

What have the school/police done?

Nothing-the school say its not on their land so can't do anything and the police have told her to walk the longer way home and to avoid him at school

His parents have just shrugged and said 'we'll have a word'

Hes strutting around thinking he's untouchable (and let's face it,he is until he goes too far,which is just a matter of time) with his mates cheering him on

It's been going on forever-i remember being assaulted by classmates and fuck all was done

It's not 'boys will be boys' it's dangerous and all girls/women deserve better

That poor girl-what a joke of a sentence

I read somewhere (just a few days ago but cant remember where) a woman saying 'i do NOT want my murder to be a safety warning for other women'

Sadly,it's a real threat to us all and all they do is trot out 'lessons will be learned' but they never are

They're quite targeted. It's effectively a way to prioritise levels of support, therapy etc that are otherwise not there. They work quite well on things like anti-social behaviour/repeated shoplifting when the reasons behind the offending can be addressed with intensive support. With this though - it's not appropriate. The victim's right to be safe is more important than the offender staying out of a facility.

The lack of sentence doesn’t surprise me at all. Boys are allowed to treat girls anyway they want to and you’ll get people more worried about the boys’ future rather than the girls who were assaulted getting any form of justice or understanding of how they have been treated.

I’m finding boys behaviour towards girls these days shocking. I have a just turned 13 year old dd and I cannot tell you how many boys have pestered her, not taken no for an answer, called her a slag or a cunt for not wanting to go out with them, been aggressive towards her, lied about her…it’s frightening how awful some boys are, and they won’t get better with age. I spoke to one dad about his ds’s behaviour towards her and he immediately started defending his ds saying my dd deserved to be called a slag because she had (politely) told him she didn’t want to go out with him and his feelings were hurt. Maybe I should just be grateful that she wasn’t stabbed for saying no to him.

And Labour want to convince us they take VAWG seriously

it’s beyond a joke

And yet nearly every parent on here and in this country gives their children free access to the internet. Banning under 18s from owning/using mobile phones is way overdue.

It's been chronically underfunded for years. There was a case I knew about a few years ago where the probation officer had tried to claim he was unaware the offender (a violent armed robber) he was meant to be monitoring had moved out of the home he was allegedly living in (his mother's one bedroom council flat), had moved in with a new woman and gained access to her children. The man was arrested repeatedly for domestic violence but because he lived in one LA area, was arrested by the police of another one, and under the probation services of another - it went under the radar. There was no joined up thinking and phone calls were replacing meetings and spot checks just don't happen. The entire system is buckling and we have 18 months wait sometime for justice - at which point some cases cannot be prosecuted. They've blamed covid but actually there's just been a complete betrayal of our justice system - and associated services. Then more people leave, fewer people have to take on more work and shit like this happens.

I've just seen another thread which paints an even more serious picture of the online environment for youngsters than I'd understood.

The article in that OP is about Australia, but the trend exists in the UK too, alas.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/feminism/5581057-new-international-online-threat-to-young-girls-australian-federal-police-speak

I hope a poster on that thread won't mind if I C&P her account of what was said by the Australian police:

That it is a gaming culture kind of thing where teen boys and young men (the ages she gives are around 17 I think) in online groups identify "hunt stalk and draw in" young girls from a range of online platforms and begin grooming her, then intimidating, exploiting and controlling her, and forcing her into acts of violence against themselves, siblings, others, pets etc. She says they are decentralised loosely affiliated networks, in Australia and off-shore, groups glorifying sadistic online exploitation, cyber attacks and violence. They are based on nilism, sadism, nazism and satanism. Most of their victims pre-teen or teenage girls. She describes it as a new and disturbing front in gender-based violence. 59 potential offenders identified in Aus, three arrests made, and some also overseas. Perpetrators are predominantly white middle class.

Even if this wasn't a direct factor in the actions of the boy who stabbed the 14-year-old girl, this is the sea in which teens are now swimming.