Lib Dem conference big vote on supporting women's rights tomorrow

Yeah, 'literally'. Do you know what I mean by that?

So, you know at the airport when a woman pats you down but you don't stop to ask if she is gay. It's because you don't actually care that someone might be enjoying touching you. Unless a group of people suddenly make it a huge political issue. So why not allow a man to pat you down? Why does it need to be same sex and not 'either same sex and hetero or different sex and gay'. Because deep down.. we don't give a sh*t.

We claim to care but we don't. It doesn't keep us up at night. I don't care if a genuine transwoman has a (sit-down) wee (please 🙏🏼) in the women's toilets, but I do care that by setting a policy that allows this, no one can question an actual man being in there alone with me (or the transwoman) and that eventually, someone is going to demand cameras in public bathrooms like in the USA. I'm much more concerned about that.

This is interesting: https://x.com/LibVoice4Women/status/2102631669710942712?s=20

The way votes transfer in Lib Dem elections means that with three slots to fill, the Trans motion got through on first preferences.

But it wasn't a sure thing if they had only had two motions being selected.

The conference papers all said that there were two slots reserved for Emergency Motions, but in the end they actually found room for 3.

I mean, we will probably never know if this was deliberate. But if any senior Lib Dems are out there looking at this car crash, the knowledge that someone might have had a hand in gerrymandering things to advantage the TRAs must be a bit galling

The point is no PC takes priority over another, when PC conflict, we have to balance rights.

If politicians believe that the PC of GR allows people to be treated as their target sex, its understandable that they will make policies to allow men to use women's spaces. I dont agree, but what is the point of GR if it isnt about being treated as the opposite sex? Gender non conformity could be protected under sex.

When politicians talk about 'safe spaces' and single sex spaces, its their attempt to balance rights. They are making single sex spaces and single gender spaces.

As I said, I dont agree, and it isn't going to work because it imposes gender onto everyone. Also, theres no point to single gender spaces. But I can see how they are getting there from the EqA.

One of the problems with the EqA is it balances the rights of women and girls with the rights of men with the PC of GR. That may make sense in some situations, but its been used in safeguarding, too.

This mischaracterises the Equality Act. There is no balancing of rights of women and girls with the rights of men with the PC of GR. The PCs are standalone.

To be fair, Suella Braverman talks about repelling the EqA and going back to having stand alone acts to protect sex and other characters.

One of the problems with the EqA is it balances the rights of women and girls with the rights of men with the PC of GR. That may make sense in some situations, but its been used in safeguarding, too.

That's part of the problem with politicians, they look at it like scales and are convinced that women and girls have more rights than men with GR. I think thats what Lammy meant about dinosaurs hoarding rights, its as if we should make concessions in safeguarding for fairness.

If sex discrimination was a separate act, maybe the idea of compromising safeguarding for mens rights would be harder to argue? Although the GRA was written before the EqA, so maybe not!

This is interesting: https://x.com/LibVoice4Women/status/2102631669710942712?s=20

The way votes transfer in Lib Dem elections means that with three slots to fill, the Trans motion got through on first preferences.

But it wasn't a sure thing if they had only had two motions being selected.

The conference papers all said that there were two slots reserved for Emergency Motions, but in the end they actually found room for 3.

I mean, we will probably never know if this was deliberate. But if any senior Lib Dems are out there looking at this car crash, the knowledge that someone might have had a hand in gerrymandering things to advantage the TRAs must be a bit galling

Which party could be trusted?

It's interesting to consider what might be at risk if Reform get in.

Labour or a leftist coalition may try to change the EA to diminish womens rights. Reform may scrap it all together.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9dnjg896zno

To be fair, Suella Braverman talks about repelling the EqA and going back to having stand alone acts to protect sex and other characters.

One of the problems with the EqA is it balances the rights of women and girls with the rights of men with the PC of GR. That may make sense in some situations, but its been used in safeguarding, too.

That's part of the problem with politicians, they look at it like scales and are convinced that women and girls have more rights than men with GR. I think thats what Lammy meant about dinosaurs hoarding rights, its as if we should make concessions in safeguarding for fairness.

If sex discrimination was a separate act, maybe the idea of compromising safeguarding for mens rights would be harder to argue? Although the GRA was written before the EqA, so maybe not!

To be fair, Suella Braverman talks about repelling the EqA and going back to having stand alone acts to protect sex and other characters.

One of the problems with the EqA is it balances the rights of women and girls with the rights of men with the PC of GR. That may make sense in some situations, but its been used in safeguarding, too.

That's part of the problem with politicians, they look at it like scales and are convinced that women and girls have more rights than men with GR. I think thats what Lammy meant about dinosaurs hoarding rights, its as if we should make concessions in safeguarding for fairness.

If sex discrimination was a separate act, maybe the idea of compromising safeguarding for mens rights would be harder to argue? Although the GRA was written before the EqA, so maybe not!

To be fair, Suella Braverman talks about repelling the EqA and going back to having stand alone acts to protect sex and other characters.

One of the problems with the EqA is it balances the rights of women and girls with the rights of men with the PC of GR. That may make sense in some situations, but its been used in safeguarding, too.

That's part of the problem with politicians, they look at it like scales and are convinced that women and girls have more rights than men with GR. I think thats what Lammy meant about dinosaurs hoarding rights, its as if we should make concessions in safeguarding for fairness.

If sex discrimination was a separate act, maybe the idea of compromising safeguarding for mens rights would be harder to argue? Although the GRA was written before the EqA, so maybe not!

It's interesting to consider what might be at risk if Reform get in.

Labour or a leftist coalition may try to change the EA to diminish womens rights. Reform may scrap it all together.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9dnjg896zno

"My feminism was born when I went to university and started to understand the structural inequalities facing women in a society that was run by men and working for men."

Good luck explaining structural inequalities facing women if legislation and policy can't distinguish sex.

The scary part is the law is the law now. Legislation can change it.

Thanks, my comment is awaiting moderation, I'm betting it won't pass. 😂

"My feminism was born when I went to university ..."

She done learned it, so she must be a proper 'feminist'.

What does a Lib Dem “trans activist” look like?
I will not take any lessons on feminism from any organisation which dehumanises, misgenders and creates a false narrative around any marginalised group of people. In fact, I’ve noticed that many of the most unpleasantly noisy men in these organisations have been some of the greatest barriers to anything I’ve wanted to achieve on women’s rights over decades.
https://www.libdemvoice.org/what-does-a-lib-dem-trans-activist-look-like-80500.html

Open for comments if anyone is inclined or bothered.

What does a Lib Dem “trans activist” look like?
I will not take any lessons on feminism from any organisation which dehumanises, misgenders and creates a false narrative around any marginalised group of people. In fact, I’ve noticed that many of the most unpleasantly noisy men in these organisations have been some of the greatest barriers to anything I’ve wanted to achieve on women’s rights over decades.
https://www.libdemvoice.org/what-does-a-lib-dem-trans-activist-look-like-80500.html

Open for comments if anyone is inclined or bothered.

What does a Lib Dem “trans activist” look like?
I will not take any lessons on feminism from any organisation which dehumanises, misgenders and creates a false narrative around any marginalised group of people. In fact, I’ve noticed that many of the most unpleasantly noisy men in these organisations have been some of the greatest barriers to anything I’ve wanted to achieve on women’s rights over decades.
https://www.libdemvoice.org/what-does-a-lib-dem-trans-activist-look-like-80500.html

Open for comments if anyone is inclined or bothered.