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Lib Dem conference big vote on supporting women's rights tomorrow

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fromorbit · 20/09/2026 22:27

Vote tomorrow at the conference with major implications

Lib Dem conference ‘descends into culture wars’ with trans vote
Party wrong to debate pro-trans proposals that will ‘be weaponised against us’, say campaigners

Published 20 September 2026 6:45pm BST
The Liberal Democrats have been accused of “taking a sledgehammer to women’s rights” by debating proposals for more “inclusive” rules on single-sex spaces.
The party will vote on Monday on a proposal to scrap new guidance banning transgender women, who are born male, from female toilets and changing rooms at its annual conference.
The plans are set out in an emergency motion selected by Lib Dem members, which will also force the party to take a firm stance on whether “trans women are women”.
Liberal Voice for Women, a Lib Dem group campaigning for sex-based rights, warned the policy would be pushed through by a conference “stacked with activists” and force the party “back into the culture wars”.
The backlash threatens to embroil the Lib Dem conference in a transgender row for a second year running, despite Sir Ed Davey insisting on Saturday that he led “the most united party in British politics”.
https://archive.is/s25Xm

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murasaki · 21/09/2026 17:06

Oh yes, a flare like that idiotic football fan a few years ago.

zanahoria · 21/09/2026 16:57

murasaki · 21/09/2026 16:38

I suspect he wants to hoverboard into there at the last minute.

And then fall off for the LOLs.

Perhaps he will literally have a rocket up his jacksie

zanahoria · 21/09/2026 16:56

DeafLeppard · 21/09/2026 16:44

LDs clearly think the batshit greens are a bigger threat than the Tories. Which is crazy because round here they took seats because the Tories lurched right, not because the LDs lost the run of themselves.

Or maybe they actually believe this bollocks

DeafLeppard · 21/09/2026 16:44

LDs clearly think the batshit greens are a bigger threat than the Tories. Which is crazy because round here they took seats because the Tories lurched right, not because the LDs lost the run of themselves.

murasaki · 21/09/2026 16:38

zanahoria · 21/09/2026 16:35

He does like the big entrance, so he may still be twatting about on his jetski when the vote is held

I suspect he wants to hoverboard into there at the last minute.

And then fall off for the LOLs.

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zanahoria · 21/09/2026 16:35

fromorbit · 21/09/2026 15:46

Apparently the vote will happen just before his speech.

Wonder if he will conveniently be doing some last minute writing changes so he can't attend.

He does like the big entrance, so he may still be twatting about on his jetski when the vote is held

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 21/09/2026 16:29

He said he’s voting for motion cos it’s only about the guidance being ‘unclear & not fit for purpose’.

It's fit for the purpose of the law, which is what it's supposed to be, so what's to vote on Ed.

The chances of anyone getting to speak against the motion are very slim going by past experience. I wonder if he'll have anything to say about that, if he's in the hall of course.

ArabellaScott · 21/09/2026 15:48

fromorbit · 21/09/2026 15:46

Apparently the vote will happen just before his speech.

Wonder if he will conveniently be doing some last minute writing changes so he can't attend.

He might find he falls off something into a nearby body of water and can't make the vote.

fromorbit · 21/09/2026 15:46

zanahoria · 21/09/2026 15:31

'I do – I'll be voting for it if I'm in the hall.'

Full on commitment from Sir Ed

Apparently the vote will happen just before his speech.

Wonder if he will conveniently be doing some last minute writing changes so he can't attend.

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fromorbit · 21/09/2026 15:44

For Women Scotland

5h
Idiotic from EdwardJDavey. He accepts the law, but not the implementation of the law.

This is like saying he understands it's against the law to murder but he wants guidance that explains how to get away with it!

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murasaki · 21/09/2026 15:36

zanahoria · 21/09/2026 15:31

'I do – I'll be voting for it if I'm in the hall.'

Full on commitment from Sir Ed

😂

iwishitwouldstartraining · 21/09/2026 15:33

zanahoria · 21/09/2026 06:40

She said it was “irresponsible” even to debate the proposals,

I disagree, there is no need to mimic the 'no debate' tactics of Trans Rights activists, this debate should be welcomed where ever it appears.

Agree. A platitude is not legislation. They have had years to come up with alternative policies and now they need to explain what they are.

zanahoria · 21/09/2026 15:31

'I do – I'll be voting for it if I'm in the hall.'

Full on commitment from Sir Ed

iwishitwouldstartraining · 21/09/2026 15:29

If agreed, it would become party policy and commit the Lib Dems to lobbying for a new version of the EHRC guidance that is “inclusive, workable and ensures everybody can safely access public facilities and providers are protected from legal risk”

So they want a new version of the EHRC guidance that doesn't comply with the law?

fromorbit · 21/09/2026 15:29

More coverage.

How long till Davey works out he can either back the judgement. which he said again he did on Today, or say the equality act needs changing - the guidance in fact is just following the law which the Supreme Court made clear.

He can't do both logically. :

Lib Dems embroiled in new trans rights row as leader Ed Davey says he backs conference vote on scrapping protection for women-only spaces

Lib Dem activists warned that the vote was 'a Trojan horse for removing women’s rights to single-sex spaces'.

But asked if he wanted the motion to pass, Sir Ed told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: 'I do – I'll be voting for it if I'm in the hall.'

He added: 'The Supreme Court created something that we didn't expect.
'We've been working out how to make sure it's implemented properly and we've been waiting for this guidance – it's taken a long time.
'And we think, talking to businesses, they don't think it's clear enough or helpful enough. So we're responding to what other people are saying.'
But his support prompted a backlash from women's rights campaigners.

Dr Zoe Hollowood, who chairs the campaign group Liberal Voice for Women, said: 'It seems Ed plans to abandon the commitment he made to women in our 2024 manifesto that the party would uphold the Equality Act.
'The theme for this conference is ''We care, we fight''. What women will take from his support for the motion is that Ed does not care about our rights and is wholly unwilling to fight for them.
'This motion is a Trojan horse for removing women’s rights to single-sex spaces.
'Ed Davey told the BBC that the guidance supporting the Supreme Court ruling on the meaning of sex in the Equality Act lacks clarity and is not fit for purpose.
'The issue is not that the guidance is unclear - it is very clear. The issue is that organisations who want loopholes to allow some males into female spaces cannot find them.'

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16147987/Lib-Dems-trans-rights-row-Ed-Davey.html?

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EdwardJDavey repeated on r4today that ‘we accept the SC judgment’.
He said he’s voting for motion cos it’s only about the guidance being ‘unclear & not fit for purpose’. But in asserting ’TWAW’ the motion is directly contrary to SC judgment which affirmed sex is biological.

If women are not prevented from speaking they point out the flaws in the motion which is anti women's rights. Expect fireworks previous times the TAs have attempted to stop anyone supporting reality from speaking.

The debate on the 2026 motion will take place at around 5.10pm on Monday, the night before Sir Ed’s speech.

WATCH LIVE:

Lib Dem trans row as Davey backs lifting women-only spaces law

Sir Ed said he backed activists who have forced a party conference vote tonight on scrapping 'discriminatory and unworkable' gender guidance.

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16147987/Lib-Dems-trans-rights-row-Ed-Davey.html

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zanahoria · 21/09/2026 15:26

Apparently the vote will be at 5.10 pm

borntobequiet · 21/09/2026 10:58

Their positioning is all off. If they wanted to attract the moderate, sensible, centrist vote, they would steer clear of the gender stuff. As it it, the Greens will hoover up all the trans enthusiasts and the LDs will be left with egg on their faces.

Beowulfa · 21/09/2026 10:49

Voted LibDem for years, from my first election. Was cautiously enthusiastic about the 2010 coalition. What an utterly ludicrous hill they have chosen for their death throes.

EasternStandard · 21/09/2026 10:37

Iamnotalemming · 21/09/2026 08:56

Argh FFS Ed Davey, you craven fool.

Supporting the motion will not save your job, nor will it bring you voters back from the greens.

Lib Dems used to be the sensible voice in the centre, now they are chasing the populist left. I resigned my membership long ago and I won't be returning any time soon.

Crazy isn’t it.

AimsAndObjectives · 21/09/2026 10:18

Ed Davey needs to be careful when appeasing the activists. The 2025 YouGov survey shows a significant split among LibDem voters (2024 GE) on whether trans-identified males should be given access to women's single-sex spaces:

Do you think a transgender woman who has not had gender reassignment surgery should or should not be allowed to...

Use women's changing rooms?
Should be allowed 33
Should NOT be allowed 48
Don't know 20

Use women's toilets?
Should be allowed 39
Should NOT be allowed 42
Don't know 19

Do you believe that allowing transgender women to use spaces reserved for women, such as women's toilets or changing rooms, does or does not present a genuine risk of harm to women?

Does NOT present a genuine risk of harm 37
Does present a genuine risk of harm 39
Don't know 24

I imagine that Ed Davey is gambling that the need to stick it to the Greens is greater than the risk of alienating the large numbers of potential LD voters who have reservations about the holy mantra TW are W.

https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/documents/YouGov_-_Transgender_study_2024.pdf

https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/documents/YouGov_-_Transgender_study_2024.pdf

zanahoria · 21/09/2026 09:52

Imdunfer · 21/09/2026 07:51

Completely agree with you, though obviously it shouldn't be necessary for a political party to debate it and it's disappointing they are giving it air time.

Admittedly i do have a different perspective to those in the party, it must be hard for lib dem women's right activists but I just want to see all the parties tell us who they are and open debate is the best forum

Dragonasaurus · 21/09/2026 09:45

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 21/09/2026 09:39

Maybe if they get a large donation from a company/billionaire who's against medically mutilating and sterilising children the party will change their tune.

As I guess you are hinting, it would need to be more than Ferring Pharma are willing to offer. But £x00,000’s somehow seems quaintly small these days….

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 21/09/2026 09:39

Maybe if they get a large donation from a company/billionaire who's against medically mutilating and sterilising children the party will change their tune.

murasaki · 21/09/2026 09:36

Awkwardisfunny · 21/09/2026 09:26

Do you know what the real issue is? Transwomen are the gateway for actual men to abuse women.

No one cares about genuine transwomen using female spaces. The issue is that you can't challenge men who want to abuse policy to abuse women, if you concede women's spaces and rights to transwomen.

It's sad trans people can't have everything they want - but that's because women (and transwomen) do need protecting from some abusive men. They need to be our allies and get more vocal about putting this issue to bed once and for all.

Watched an obvious transwoman rush into the women's toilets the other day and no one said or did anything about it. But everyone needs to be brave about challenging this because it proves transwomen are not our allies when they do it.

Can you explain what a genuine transwoman is please? I've never seen a satisfactory answer.