In light of the whole arts world supporting Macklemore over his censorship, who in the music industry supported Róisín Murphy?

Do you think the full quote is more respectful?

I wasn't respectful, the behaviour coming from the preformative arts doesn't deserve respect, the piles on, the name calling, the threats, the demands for total compliance with the narrative, the shunning of those who haven't and won't drink the KoolAid.

What's to respect? The behaviours are ugly, they are like trained seals, the fact that it's not respectful to point it out is of no consequence.
Think of my 'performance' as a gritty, no nonsense, depiction of zero fuck's to give about the feelz of over performing drama queens.

To be fair I didn't refer "to everyone in the creative industries as ‘ugly performing seals’, I said

The fact that they can turn into a ugly performing seals is of no surprise to anyone outside the performing arts.

Just an observation of someone outside of the performing arts.

If you took it to refer to you, well, what can I say.

Ah yes…. This poster who has referred to everyone in the creative industries as ‘ugly performing seals’ is definitely just looking to engage me in respectful, open-minded conversation.

That's untrue, the full quote

The fact that they can turn into a ugly performing seals is of no surprise to anyone outside the performing arts.

Ah yes…. This poster who has referred to everyone in the creative industries as ‘ugly performing seals’ is definitely just looking to engage me in respectful, open-minded conversation.

But Ed Sheeran WASNT apolitical before. He has done concerts for Ukraine, and he endorsed Jeremy Corbyn.

In this case, he chose to work with artists that have been extremely clear on their politics (Macklemore’s views on Palestine are well established)…. He arguably using politically outspoken artists to gain credibility / edge with less risk than speaking out himself (obviously this has backfired spectacularly). He absolutely tried to have his cake and eat it.

And generally, the idea that art should or even could be detatched from the world it’s produced in is just …. Silly.

Ah yes…. This poster who has referred to everyone in the creative industries as ‘ugly performing seals’ is definitely just looking to engage me in respectful, open-minded conversation.

I'm guessing that the poster would expect anyone to respond with a careful reading, an open mind, and a respectful reply, whether in agreement or not.

Are you able/willing to do that? Apparently not. Fair enough, that's OK, you don't have to participate if you don't want to, there are plenty of us who will respond with a careful reading, an open mind, and a respectful reply, whether in agreement or not.

An open letter in support of JKR was signed by many writers, before being opened to public signatories.

https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/in-solidarity-with-jk-rowling/

Yes it’s bizarre and unnecessary.

To her, I could add who in TV over Linehan, dance over Rosie Kay?
Sure, JKR is too big to be cancelled, but I didn't see any writers flock to her side.
I'm sure I've missed a few.
So, pressure put on Eddie Sheeran to drop Macklemore for his overtly political Free Palestine! chants, banners etc.
Hey, I may not share his politics, but I don't believe in censorship.
But as the wave of support comes in for him, and let's face it, this cancellation can only boost his career, I'm right now asking where was the wave of anti-censorship support for Róisín Murphy a few years back, when <her own record label!> cancelled her?
Macklemore walks into his next gig next week, his artist-activist credentials burnished, his opportunities to boost his career scaled up.
Róisín? She was at existential risk of career collapse.
Rosie Kay? Did the dance community in any meaningful way support her freedom to speak up? Highlight the iniquity of her losing the school shed sweated to build?
Linehan? Well, he really is a salutary lesson in the Age Of Scolding.
I know I've missed a few.
And of course multiples more women in lesser positions, cancelled from running maternity classes, as Green party candidates (I know one personally), from sports teams, etc etc, all of them invaluable in their fields, but cancelled or silenced via threat of cancellation.
So, while I see the Macklemore cancellation as poor in an apparently freedom-valuing West, I know this is in effect arbitrary. He isn't being dropped by his record label, all venues not touching him, activists working to bury him. If he ran a singing school, he wouldn't have it taken from him. If he was a writer for TV, he wouldn't have all opportunities for a decade denied him, true poison pen culture behind his back and to his face.
So I ask, why when Macklemore gets a prime gig cancelled, the whole arts/activist/Omnicause world lifts him up, yet when Róisín/Rosie/Graeme get cancelled, the rest of the mass bear down in them?
Of course, we all know the answer. I'm just finding I need to articulate what I see as a hypocritical world doubling down.

I think this debate comes down to the question of whether you think venue owners (the fact that the guy is a billionaire isn't really relevant) should have the right to decide what is platformed within their venues. I don't know what the legal position is in the USA, but my view is that they should have that right as long as it is applied fairly and consistently. For example, the owner should have the right to say that they won't host political meetings or rallies (including concerts where people make political speeches) but that should apply across the board. Similarly, an owner should have the right to say they won't book minstrel shows or other performances that include racial stereotypes, but it should be broadly applied. Or they should be able to say that they don't want trans discussions (pro or against).

What we don't want is selective platforming of only things people agree with or even worse, de-platforming people for opinions they hold that are nothing to do with their art/performance.

I don’t really know how you’d expect anyone to respond to that. Are you ok?

I don’t really know how you’d expect anyone to respond to that. Are you ok?

Have you considered we really just DON’T agree with them? Many of us in the creative industries work alongside brilliant trans colleagues, which is a good preventative for spending your time imagining trans bogeymen, tbh.

There we go with the royal 'WE' again, 'trans' and the wider GI movement is all performance so it's not surprising that it's found a natural home in the 'creative' industries, it's all about creating a fiction of your existence after all.

Most in the creative industries are just performing someone else's work, it's not like the industry is full of original, creative, inspiring artists after all. The fact that they can turn into a ugly performing seals is of no surprise to anyone outside the performing arts.
Just because the chorus of understudies don't agree with someone's views doesn't give them the right to torpedo a career of someone with talent. RM was cancelled because of the mob of talentless wanaby's, the fact that her fans haven't deserted her makes me wonder how much RM needs the 'creative industries'.
Maybe her treatment will turn out to be a blessing, she can cutout the middle grifters and go straight to her fans, which should concern those who's entire 'career' is dependant on 'the kindness of strangers'.

But ES was already platforming politics AT HIS CONCERTS.

He and his team knew that Macklemore would likely speak out at concerts about his well established support for Palestine.

That’s what I mean by ES having his cake and eating it.

Im not even going to engage with your ‘art should only be escapism’ belief because it’s completely ahistorical and shows such a spectacular lack of any critical thinking around art / music etc at all.

And your belief that people only speak out against a genocide to prove they’re a ‘special kind of person’ is so sad. I’m glad I’ve met good people; you don’t seem to have.

Other people have done plenty of explaining on this thread re the difference between a single billionaire de-platforming artists, versus an artist becoming less popular with audiences, former fans & other artists 🤷‍♀️