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'I've been disowned and shamed for saying women footballers must be boen with ovaries' Oliver Brown in The Telegraph

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impossibletoday · 20/09/2026 08:42

A woman from Los Angeles

‘I’ve been disowned and shamed for saying women footballers must be born with ovaries’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/4c6e0d006499e2b7

‘I’ve been disowned and shamed for saying women footballers must be born with ovaries’

Exclusive: Elizabeth Eddy knew broaching controversial topic would prompt backlash, but did not expect ‘bullying’ from her own team-mates

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/4c6e0d006499e2b7

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puffyisgood · 25/09/2026 10:52

Hey, you can't keep a good man down, etc.

oldtiredcyclist · 25/09/2026 10:42

Helleofabore · 24/09/2026 14:12

I had read that McKinnon / Ivy is now in golf.

This is another of those advantages that people miss in the discussion. How many female athletes, who have certainly not maintained elite levels of fitness will reach elite levels of two sports in their lifetime?

There are women who have maintained their peak fitness and have changed sport. Or competed at levels in winter sports and summer sports.

But McKinnon / Ivy has not maintained peak fitness, yet can do this? Including having an elbow injury if I remember correctly. That would be an absolutely extraordinary female athlete to do that. Or one with male advantage.

McKinnon has been boasting about hitting his drives 280 yards, which would put him as one of the longest hitters on the women's professional tour. Strange isn't it, that these transwomen lose their strength when they put a skirt on, but 44 year old McKinnon is hitting the golf ball the same distance as a 44 year old man. I wonder why that is?

https://www.golfmonthly.com/features/the-game/how-far-lpga-tour-players-hit-every-club-in-the-bag

Celine Boutier driving

How Far LPGA Tour Players Hit Every Club In The Bag

The latest Trackman data reveals the average distances and speeds from shots hit on the LPGA Tour in 2023

https://www.golfmonthly.com/features/the-game/how-far-lpga-tour-players-hit-every-club-in-the-bag

Helleofabore · 24/09/2026 14:12

I had read that McKinnon / Ivy is now in golf.

This is another of those advantages that people miss in the discussion. How many female athletes, who have certainly not maintained elite levels of fitness will reach elite levels of two sports in their lifetime?

There are women who have maintained their peak fitness and have changed sport. Or competed at levels in winter sports and summer sports.

But McKinnon / Ivy has not maintained peak fitness, yet can do this? Including having an elbow injury if I remember correctly. That would be an absolutely extraordinary female athlete to do that. Or one with male advantage.

spannasaurus · 24/09/2026 13:37

moto748e · 24/09/2026 12:10

So, a different name for every sport? That's novel.

There were a few TIMs that changed their surnames to womans names when GC people started calling them by their surnames rather than use their "female" first names.

moto748e · 24/09/2026 12:10

So, a different name for every sport? That's novel.

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 24/09/2026 12:09

oldtiredcyclist · 24/09/2026 12:00

Funny you should ask that, it would seem that Veronica Ivy (formerly Rachel McKinnon) is now winning women's golf competitions.

https://www.yardbarker.com/golf/articles/trans_cycling_champion_is_now_dominating_womens_golf_with_another_major_win/s1_17759_44152502

Well, when doors are opened wide for you, it would be stupid not to walk thru them.
"This way please, ma'am".

oldtiredcyclist · 24/09/2026 12:00

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 23/09/2026 16:53

Would be curious to see where they are all now, Petrillo, Valentino, Hubbard, Khelif, Fox, McKinnon, Bridges, Thomas, that Canadian ambulance chasing harasser of Asian beauty therapists, that Z cup schoolteacher, and the trasher of Bud Light.
I'm sure I've missed dozens more.
What an ignominious bunch.

Funny you should ask that, it would seem that Veronica Ivy (formerly Rachel McKinnon) is now winning women's golf competitions.

https://www.yardbarker.com/golf/articles/trans_cycling_champion_is_now_dominating_womens_golf_with_another_major_win/s1_17759_44152502

Trans Cycling Champion Is Now Dominating Women’s Golf With Another Major Win

Veronica Ivy has already made history in women’s cycling. Now the transgender athlete is collecting trophies in another sport. Ivy, formerly known as Rachel McKinnon, became the first transgender woman to win a world track cycling championship.

https://www.yardbarker.com/golf/articles/trans_cycling_champion_is_now_dominating_womens_golf_with_another_major_win/s1_17759_44152502

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 23/09/2026 16:53

Would be curious to see where they are all now, Petrillo, Valentino, Hubbard, Khelif, Fox, McKinnon, Bridges, Thomas, that Canadian ambulance chasing harasser of Asian beauty therapists, that Z cup schoolteacher, and the trasher of Bud Light.
I'm sure I've missed dozens more.
What an ignominious bunch.

murasaki · 23/09/2026 16:49

Also worth noting he was considerably older than many of the other athletes, yet beat a lot of them. Now why might that be.....

I watched him, and was delighted when he didn't actually win.

murasaki · 23/09/2026 16:48

Beowulfa · 23/09/2026 16:44

Being trans is just who Giulia is. Giulia's mum says Giulia is special. Hateful Terfs on Mumsnet saying Giulia can't play are committing actual violence against schoolchildren. Just. Leave. Trans. Alone.

It's a nice evening, so I thought I'd save TPA the time.

You forgot oppressed, discriminated against, stunning and brave, but yes, it'd look a lot like that.

Beowulfa · 23/09/2026 16:44

murasaki · 23/09/2026 16:24

It doesn't does it. I'd like to hear TPA et al justify that.

Being trans is just who Giulia is. Giulia's mum says Giulia is special. Hateful Terfs on Mumsnet saying Giulia can't play are committing actual violence against schoolchildren. Just. Leave. Trans. Alone.

It's a nice evening, so I thought I'd save TPA the time.

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 23/09/2026 16:44

murasaki · 23/09/2026 16:39

They rejig para classifications all the time, and people lose out, or combine them for races, and ditto. E.g Alfie Hewitt nearly lost out to a rejig of para tennis classifications.

Yet this blindingly obvious (yes, pun intended) bloke is included.

I would say a man who can't see he's not a woman is blind in so many ways.

murasaki · 23/09/2026 16:39

They rejig para classifications all the time, and people lose out, or combine them for races, and ditto. E.g Alfie Hewitt nearly lost out to a rejig of para tennis classifications.

Yet this blindingly obvious (yes, pun intended) bloke is included.

CompleteGinasaur · 23/09/2026 16:37

Almost as though there's a hierarchy of oppression that we never quite manage to get listed on, isn't it..?

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 23/09/2026 16:36

Indeed. "None are so blind as those who will not see".
Of course the TIMs see very clearly indeed. It's just the authorities who are wilfully blinkered.

murasaki · 23/09/2026 16:35

I found it interesting (read disgusting for that) that they were stringent re the sight tests for classification and not the fact that he is a great hulking MAN.

CompleteGinasaur · 23/09/2026 16:35

Sorry, xpost @murasaki . That's much more useful..!

CompleteGinasaur · 23/09/2026 16:34

Can't link, but was called Valentina Petrillo, I think?

murasaki · 23/09/2026 16:33

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 23/09/2026 16:27

While we're on a roll, anyone can link to that Italian TIM runner? I believe he had the audacity to rub female runners' noses in it, and then the Paralympics.

Edited

Do you mean this unit?

https://news.sky.com/story/valentina-petrillo-trans-paralympian-qualifies-for-womens-t12-400m-semi-final-13208574

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 23/09/2026 16:27

While we're on a roll, anyone can link to that Italian TIM runner? I believe he had the audacity to rub female runners' noses in it, and then the Paralympics.

murasaki · 23/09/2026 16:24

moto748e · 23/09/2026 15:17

That pic never gets old.

It doesn't does it. I'd like to hear TPA et al justify that.

moto748e · 23/09/2026 15:17

That pic never gets old.

MarieDeGournay · 23/09/2026 15:13

The transgender player Giulia Valentino, photographed in a women's Gaelic football match in 2022 - Giulia's the one on the right, BTW - said in press interviews:
'I’d like to be remembered for leaving a legacy of inclusion for other trans players.”
Trans Gaelic footballer Giulia Valentino: ‘I’d like to leave a legacy of inclusion’ – The Irish Times
Well, always happy to oblige, Giulia! I post this photo in discussions about transwomen in women's sports, making sure that your legacy of inclusion is not forgotten...

a footnote about this photo :The Guardian stopped publishing it, I wonder why?
For opponents of such inclusion, the photograph of Valentino closing in on an opponent appeared to tell its own story: a bigger, stronger athlete with an unfair physical advantage from having undergone male puberty.
The Guardian [where this article was originally published] agreed not to publish this or any photograph that identified Valentino, who has been harassed.
-[from the same Irish Times article ]

'I've been disowned and shamed for saying women footballers must be boen with ovaries'  Oliver Brown in The Telegraph
GailBlancheViola · 23/09/2026 14:42

iwishitwouldstartraining · 23/09/2026 09:08

Why not? Women who identify as trans play on women's football teams. If men who identify as trans are being prevented from playing on men's football teams, I am sure that most posters on this board would support any campaign you started against this unlawful discrimination.

Ah but you have to remember that being trans inclusive doesn't mean including trans identifying females in female single sex sports, etc. Trans inclusive only means including trans identifying males in every female single sex concern, I am sure you are suprised by that (not). As ever,it is ALL about the men at the expense of women.

Helleofabore · 23/09/2026 13:51

CURRENT COUNT (2026) MALE ATHLETES TAKE 2293 GOLD MEDALS IN FEMALE SPORTS CATEGORIES IN THE USA

https://concernedwomen.org/concerned-women-research-finds-increase-in-trans-identifying-men-winning-gold-medals/

Concerned Women Research Finds Increase in Trans-Identifying Men Winning Gold Medals

22nd September 2026

Concerned Women for America Legislative Action Committee (CWALAC) found that trans-identifying males have stolen over 2,293 gold medals from women and girls in the United States and is calling on Congress to protect biological women and girls from this injustice.

It goes on…

”With data compiled from HeCheated on recorded incidents of natal males’ disruption in female events since the mid-1980s, CWALAC research found that:

Trans-identifying males have stolen over 2,293 gold medals from women and girls in the United States, pushing each rightful champion down to second place.

Trans-identifying male athletes have stolen over $501,498 in prize money from women in professional sports.
In California alone, over 611 women and girls have taken silver below a male allowed to compete in the women’s category.

Trans-identifying males have competed in more than 14,301 female sport events, amateur and professional. “

But apparently, nothing to see here. Feminists should be looking at other issues because there is very little impact and it is ‘just a few’ male people in female single sex sports.

HECHEATED

A record of MALES who have robbed FEMALE athletes of success and opportunities in sport and the organizations who have helped them do so.

https://hecheated.org/