Kenwood Ladies Pond Authoritarians

Exactly. There are three ponds.

A mixed bathing pond where men can swim.

A men only pond where men can swim.

A women only pond. Where ………. oh fill in the rest for yourself and tell yourself it is only fair and kind……….

Your poor friend. Ffs. Has the world gone mad?

“Banning what is essentially hate speech”

that is a very authoritarian instinct.

speech you hate does not equal hate speech

if I saw someone wearing a TWAW t shirt I’d roll my eyes and assume we wouldn’t get along but I wouldn’t have any urge to report them or have them banned.

I used to meet friends at the Ladies Pond a couple of times each summer but never go now.

I find the presence / potential presence of people with penises create more ‘aggro’ than words on a top.

I also felt that a trans woman approaching my friend for a ‘cosy sisterly chat’ about having larger breasts was way more disturbing of our tranquility than words on a costume could be.

Indeed.

They have a right to be offended. That they seek to get offensive apparel banned and the swimmers who wear them, is going too far. It is a pair of swimmers with a factual statement appliquéd on them!

If women are offended by males being allowed in the women’s pond they should be allowed to say it. If women are offended by her swimsuit they too should be allowed to say it. However, to argue that one level of offence is more important than another and the person should be reported for it highlights how these women work. They should mind their business and get on with their swim.

Fair play to the one who said "is it hate or is it an opinion"

Obviously it's not an "opinion" it's fact, but even so she was brave to post that comment

These women are foolish in my view, and the swimsuit is amazing, but I don’t think you should be posting their names like this.

@TransParentlyAnnoyed can you explain to me what’s funny about rape victims like me being excluded from services? Im not seeing the joke.

I don't think that is the best way to protest about the City of London trying to avoid keeping to the law of the land. However, I defend the choice to do so.

Swimming in open water is for many people about being away from other things in life.

Yes I think it's important that women are being prevented from swimming at the ponds in favour of some men who can still swim there in the mixed sex pond but just don't want to.

Probably not dissimilar to being at certain schools atm actually.

Where little girls of 11 are being forced to go to toilets alongside 18-year-old men. Which results in many girls just not using the loo all day, potentially causing themselves long-term medical issues.

Yup, it’s all such a larf, isn’t it?

What angers me most about these women is that they don't give a shit that there are Moslem and Jewish women and survivors of rape and others who cannot swim at Hampstead Heath because there can be men with obvious male genitalia in tight swimming costumes there.

Instead of telling men to swim in the mixed sex pool, they tell other women that they don't care that they are prevented from swimming at all.

Be kind my arse!

Factual words on a ladies swimming costume = bad
Actual penis in the ladies swimming pond = good

Nice to know.

No doubt she would have been the topic of discussion.

What a time we live in.

That is a statement of fact that has been appliquéd to swimmers.

That some people consider it an opinion is their own philosophical belief. That statement of material reality has been deemed to be entirely subjective based on that belief of a philosophical theory that has no basis in material reality. It is entirely conceptual and defies material reality.

Those holding that philosophical belief also have attached a value judgement to that belief and therefore those three words, which as a statement convey no judgement, have been given such incredible emotional judgemental power that it is considered hate speech by some people.

Those who hold that belief (one that defies material reality), wish to ban that statement of fact because somehow society in the UK and other democracies, that not supposed to be authoritarian about beliefs, has come to the point that philosophical belief should given priority over statements of fact.

There really is a warping of concepts at play here. Words have been robbed of meaning by being attributed meanings that are the opposite to the established and intended meaning.

Some people believe this is progress but this change by a small group of society has been given great power. The words are not just those biological terms. But also ‘kind’ and ‘hate’ in the exchange the OP has posted. There are numerous others which will no doubt be used by posters who will agree with the opinions of those seeking to ban statements such as this.

It is the opposite of ‘kind’ to have changed the meaning of words in this way and to then enforce compliance to a group’s philosophical belief.

Congrats, you've reached the level of contradiction previously displayed by onepostwonder and the like.

Recently you posted that women should have full autonomy over their own bodies. Well, that includes what they choose to clothe them in, no?

Policing what women wear and 'telling teacher' if you don't like it is authoritarian

What a fabulous swimsuit. Bet the woman who wore it is great!

I was 9 before a woman could get a mortgage on her own.

These younger, bekind women don’t know how hard fought and well won the women’s rights they’re so happy to throw away were.

I once saw someone at the pond wearing a Woman Adult Human Female t-shirt. Nobody reported her to the lifeguards.

Now I wonder if she was discussed on the Facebook group.

Posting on MN = this is important 😂😂😂

Just so everyone knows what's what, there needs to be a sign.

Kenwood Ladies Pond:
Only men and doormats allowed

Yes, it matters. It’s really important that single sex provision is single sex and that words keep their meanings so that we can keep that single sex provision where it is lawfully allowed.

I need a single sex counselling space. I need a single sex hospital ward. Indeed single sex toilets.

Why do my needs matter less than those of a trans person? There is no hierarchy of protected rights in the Equality Act, so why are my rights less important than those of a trans person?