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The false equivalency drives me mad...

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Toastess · 15/09/2026 17:32

I was chatting with a group of colleagues today. Somehow the conversation moved onto Rolf Harris, and one woman said how she'd loved Harris's music as a child and how horrified everyone was to discover his paedophilia. A few other names were mentioned (Stewart Hall, Jimmy Savile etc.).

Then a man said "Oh that's like with JK Rowling, I loved Harry Potter and now she's a monster." I don't know the group well at all, we're at work, I'm not proud but I just said "she's not a paedophile, it's a bit different!". His response - "she's still an absolute monster".

How on earth can JK be in the same category as convicted sex offenders?! How has the blind hatred reached this level?!

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Brefugee · 19/09/2026 18:26

alcovecupboards · 15/09/2026 22:18

It does us no good to pretend JK has behaved impeccably. She's done some very shady things and even I - who share most of her views - will not defend that. It's OK if people don't like her - I doubt she cares so why should you? GC isn't a cult so it would be great if some of you could remember that.

what "very shady things" be specific, please

LeftieRightsHoarder · 20/09/2026 01:41

Toastess · 15/09/2026 17:32

I was chatting with a group of colleagues today. Somehow the conversation moved onto Rolf Harris, and one woman said how she'd loved Harris's music as a child and how horrified everyone was to discover his paedophilia. A few other names were mentioned (Stewart Hall, Jimmy Savile etc.).

Then a man said "Oh that's like with JK Rowling, I loved Harry Potter and now she's a monster." I don't know the group well at all, we're at work, I'm not proud but I just said "she's not a paedophile, it's a bit different!". His response - "she's still an absolute monster".

How on earth can JK be in the same category as convicted sex offenders?! How has the blind hatred reached this level?!

I always ask people who say this, what JKR did to be called a monster in the first place. They can never tell me.

What started all that abuse, in 2020, was that JKR responded to a tweet about ‘people who menstruate’ by saying there used to be a word for those people — “What was it? Wumben? Wimpund? Woomud?”

The response to this harmless little joke was a cascade of abuse. At first JKR was apologetic, fearing she had hurt the feelings of some deeply fragile people. But the abuse has continued since then, including, as she once said, enough death threats to paper the walls of her house. And she eventually hardened her responses, realising it was pointless to try to soothe or reason with these trolls.

JKR is a major benefactor to good causes, including Scotland’s only all-female rape crisis centre, Beira’s place, which she funds. She’s a treasure.

LeftieRightsHoarder · 20/09/2026 01:43

Brefugee · 19/09/2026 18:26

what "very shady things" be specific, please

Yes, I’d love to know what shady things she’s done. I’m putting my money on “nothing”.

MyAmpleSheep · 20/09/2026 03:22

LeftieRightsHoarder · 20/09/2026 01:43

Yes, I’d love to know what shady things she’s done. I’m putting my money on “nothing”.

I think the full list include mocking some trans identifying men (mostly by pointing out that they are actually men), and “employing” Johnny Depp (although I don’t think she was responsible for the casting) and therefore she cannot be a supporter of women.

Tendentious and weak, but that’s all they’ve got.

This one is my personal favourite, played with a dead straight bat right over the boundary:

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1789590944976650436

Shedmistress · 20/09/2026 07:39

To be honest, if you want your male actors to all be squeaky clean never having done a bad thing in their lives then you obviously just have Keanu, right? Which is great but the poor guy can't do it all on his own.

TRAspotter · 20/09/2026 08:30

Wondering, not for the first time, what makes TRAs so addled and unhinged.

lcakethereforeIam · 20/09/2026 09:49

Cognitive dissonance, knowing they're speaking nonsense and, for a few unfortunates, they've allowed it to harm their children.

Rollingpinofdoom · 20/09/2026 10:26

TRAspotter · 20/09/2026 08:30

Wondering, not for the first time, what makes TRAs so addled and unhinged.

Hair dye….

GreyskySexRealistsky · 20/09/2026 10:29

Living in a bubble in which people affirm their view

MarieDeGournay · 20/09/2026 11:05

lcakethereforeIam · 20/09/2026 09:49

Cognitive dissonance, knowing they're speaking nonsense and, for a few unfortunates, they've allowed it to harm their children.

The whole transgender concept is so devoid of factual validity or even common sense that it pushes its supporters into the realms of #nodebate, or #bekind, or 'you are all just hate-fuelled bigots' or whatever, because there just isn't enough sold fact there to defend the concept rationally.
Desperation turns to nonsense turns to insult turns to attack .. turns to slander turns to libel, if they're not careful.

A footnote - when I googled slander and libel, I came across this example of slander:

  • Making untrue statements about someone’s professional competence that result in lost opportunities or income LegalKnowledgeBase.com.
Isn't that exactly what Dr Upton did when he accused Sandie Peggie of professional misconduct in her care for patients?

Not that I expect SP to act on it, it's just that it was an aspect of DrU's behaviour that many of us found particularly underhand and despicable, so it's interesting to see that it might have been slanderous/libellous.

viques · 20/09/2026 11:15

TheKeatingFive · 17/09/2026 15:17

Agreed. I still can’t believe they thought this was an appropriate thing to post. As someone else said, imagine going out to bat for Jimmy Saville.

Agreed. While we are on the subject let us also remember that Fred West was on remand, so not convicted. And so was Epstein having served time for a previous conviction but on remand for other offences. If we are going to give Savile a free pass let’s make sure we are even handed. 😐

I mean, we don’t want to appear to be giving JKR the benefit of the doubt do we, when apparently she too has committed heinous offences but not been accused, charged or convicted.

Anthophile · 20/09/2026 14:16

Shedmistress · 20/09/2026 07:39

To be honest, if you want your male actors to all be squeaky clean never having done a bad thing in their lives then you obviously just have Keanu, right? Which is great but the poor guy can't do it all on his own.

I'm not sure if this comment is meant to be slightly tongue-in-cheek, and don't wish to derail this thread by turning it into a lengthy discussion about Johnny Depp's character or misdeeds, but he isn't a good example for this -- for instance, suggesting that Amber Heard be drowned, burned and defiled to ensure her death ("I will f**k her burnt corpse afterwards to make sure she's dead" to be more precise) in the messages he exchanged with Paul Bettany was clearly a lot more than what could or should be reasonably excused as not being squeaky clean, even though he claimed he was not being serious and merely venting.

InfoSecInTheCity · 20/09/2026 15:28

my biggest issue with the “JK Rowling supports violence against women because - Johnny Depp” argument is that the posters seem to think that Rowling is the only person who needs to loudly condemn Johnny Depp. He’s been hired and worked with by a multitude of other people but they arent being accused of anything because of their association with him yet Rowling (who probably had very little to do with his casting) needs to offer a public apology or his crimes and failing become hers.

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