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Reflections on trans presence at a Dykes Who Hike event

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13RidgmontRoad · 13/09/2026 08:15

For those who don't know DWH, it's an informal mainly Instagram-promoted event and the organisers, two women in their 20s, arrange (relatively accessible) hikes in locations mainly in SE England. Cost to join is £2 a ticket. Yesterday was the first one I've been on, which was 17 miles (Newhaven to Brighton). Around 130 people attended.

There were 5-6 TW on the hike that I could see; two older chaps, one in a dress and heavy makeup, the other looking very much just like a bloke in men's clothing. Four younger ones who looked like the wind might blow them away.

Older blokey one was very annoying - lots of mansplaining on the Whatsapp group, selfies and borderline inappropriate jokes, generally ignored.

Two of the younger ones peeled off about halfway through as they couldn't cope with the rest of the distance. Remaining younger ones were a couple and kept themselves to themselves. They were rather timid and socially awkward, which was a bit of a contrast to 130 hale and hearty lesbians in hiking boots.

I felt like most of the women there just gave the lot of them a wide berth - bit of polite chat then forward or back to join other women.

The (lovely) organisers are quite young and there's absolutely no way either of them would come out and bar TW. I imagine they'd be terrified to take a view. So it seemed very much like weary acceptance. It was rather interesting to observe.

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alcovecupboards · 13/09/2026 20:57

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 13/09/2026 20:55

Pretty misleading name for the group though right if it includes males?

You seem very upset that this thriving group isn't capitulating to your own world view. Have you considered therapy?

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 13/09/2026 20:55

Lexibletheflexible · 13/09/2026 20:53

Maybe if someone other than a lesbian took it over, they'd rename it to something else. Maybe they wouldn't in tribute to the founders. Who knows? They probably dont even know because it is thriving and there is no reason to stop.

Pretty misleading name for the group though right if it includes males?

Lexibletheflexible · 13/09/2026 20:53

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 13/09/2026 20:52

Again what does the word Dyke mean?

Maybe if someone other than a lesbian took it over, they'd rename it to something else. Maybe they wouldn't in tribute to the founders. Who knows? They probably dont even know because it is thriving and there is no reason to stop.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 13/09/2026 20:52

Lexibletheflexible · 13/09/2026 20:50

Why because I can't answer whether they'd consider someone other than a biological woman who identifies that way to step into their role as organisers should they ever wish to stop leading this group?

Again what does the word Dyke mean?

Lexibletheflexible · 13/09/2026 20:50

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 13/09/2026 20:47

Doesn’t seem very inclusive after all then.

Why because I can't answer whether they'd consider someone other than a biological woman who identifies that way to step into their role as organisers should they ever wish to stop leading this group?

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 13/09/2026 20:47

Lexibletheflexible · 13/09/2026 20:45

I don't know what the organisers will decide if they ever stop. I don't know them personally.

Doesn’t seem very inclusive after all then.

Lexibletheflexible · 13/09/2026 20:45

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 13/09/2026 20:44

So the group ceases to exist if the only leaders give up then? There’s no way of any others who are non binary or men to be leaders?

I don't know what the organisers will decide if they ever stop. I don't know them personally.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 13/09/2026 20:44

Lexibletheflexible · 13/09/2026 20:43

Well they can't go back in time and become the founders/organisers of the group because we don't have that type of technology as of yet

So the group ceases to exist if the only leaders give up then? There’s no way of any others who are non binary or men to be leaders?

Lexibletheflexible · 13/09/2026 20:43

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 13/09/2026 20:40

So men can never be the leaders then?

Well they can't go back in time and become the founders/organisers of the group because we don't have that type of technology as of yet

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 13/09/2026 20:40

Lexibletheflexible · 13/09/2026 20:37

The leaders are lesbians. They are the Dykes who Hike.

So men can never be the leaders then?

Lexibletheflexible · 13/09/2026 20:37

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 13/09/2026 20:36

What does the word Dyke mean then?

The leaders are lesbians. They are the Dykes who Hike.

Lexibletheflexible · 13/09/2026 20:36

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 13/09/2026 20:32

Glad you admit they’re not inclusive then.

Few places are tolerant of views they find discriminatory or oppressive to people they want as members

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 13/09/2026 20:36

Lexibletheflexible · 13/09/2026 20:35

Who said it was a lesbian group? Their description says who it is for.

What does the word Dyke mean then?

Lexibletheflexible · 13/09/2026 20:35

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 13/09/2026 20:31

But it’s not a lesbian group is it? They include men. Men can’t be lesbians. HTH

Who said it was a lesbian group? Their description says who it is for.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 13/09/2026 20:32

Lexibletheflexible · 13/09/2026 20:30

They arent mind readers so you'd have to do quite a bit for them to know they don't want you there.

Glad you admit they’re not inclusive then.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 13/09/2026 20:31

alcovecupboards · 13/09/2026 17:34

Because the lesbians who organise it - as the Dykes Who Hike - wanted to? Do they need your permission? Are you a lesbian?

But it’s not a lesbian group is it? They include men. Men can’t be lesbians. HTH

Lexibletheflexible · 13/09/2026 20:30

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 13/09/2026 20:29

So not inclusive then. Got it.

They arent mind readers so you'd have to do quite a bit for them to know they don't want you there.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 13/09/2026 20:29

Lexibletheflexible · 13/09/2026 17:38

Yes lebians that don't hold beliefs they find to be discriminatory or just plain vile. Or at least can put them aside enough to hike.

So not inclusive then. Got it.

IwantToRetire · 13/09/2026 20:28

I dont know why so many have bothered to wag their finger at OP.

She isn't making a value judgement. She is reflecting on the experience of being or participating in a trans inclusive group.

So if you read the OP again and pay attention to her comments on the interaction, ie as an example of being in a trans inclusive setting.

ArabellaScott · 13/09/2026 19:33

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 13/09/2026 14:18

So any man can turn up then right?

Yes. And if he was told he could not join, he could sue them for discrimination.

Lexibletheflexible · 13/09/2026 19:10

ThisFunSheep · 13/09/2026 19:07

Right...so how come there are no gay or bisexual men of the hundred or so. Or trans men?

It's called "Dykes". Clearly the gay men and trans men think it's a women's group. Because that's a term used to describe women.

Then the bit underneath sounds like it means bisexual "dykes" or trans "dykes" etc.

It doesn't sound like it means gay men and trans men.

Though maybe now that's been corrected, one of the GC gay mens groups will pop by...

Edited

Likely because they don't want to go. They are welcome though. I also wouldn't trust that the OP was able to determine who identified as a trans man or as NB on sight.

Remember we only have the OPs words on what they think they saw

ThisFunSheep · 13/09/2026 19:07

Lexibletheflexible · 13/09/2026 18:47

The description says:

queer, bi, wlw girlies, trans and non-binary folk 🫶

It doesnt say women only. The leaders are lesbians or dykes.

Right...so how come there are no gay or bisexual men of the hundred or so. Or trans men?

It's called "Dykes". Clearly the gay men and trans men think it's a women's group. Because that's a term used to describe women.

Then the bit underneath sounds like it means bisexual "dykes" or trans "dykes" etc.

It doesn't sound like it means gay men and trans men.

Though maybe now that's been corrected, one of the GC gay mens groups will pop by...

Lexibletheflexible · 13/09/2026 19:03

Heggettypeg · 13/09/2026 18:57

Where there's an invasion, there are usually collaborators.

On this case, the invaders would be the people who turn up despite knowing they have a problem with the admission policy.

Heggettypeg · 13/09/2026 18:57

Lexibletheflexible · 13/09/2026 17:28

Not only because "men" want to be in women's spaces, but because lots of women have fought very hard for their inclusion in such spaces. Biological women are trans women's fiercest allies.

Where there's an invasion, there are usually collaborators.

Lexibletheflexible · 13/09/2026 18:47

ThisFunSheep · 13/09/2026 18:44

It isn't an LGBT group because it doesn't include gay or bisexual men...well unless they claim to be a woman.

It also is debatable how much it's a transgender group as afaik they don't require any evidence.

I was making a general point about the importance of women's groups and why some women want a single sex environment.

I'm not a lesbian so obviously I wouldn't be joining either of those discussed. There will be lesbians in a similar position to me though.

When I last looked into this I couldn't find any appropriate womens only groups in my area.

I would also be extremely concerned about these being targeted by protestors, if they restricted their entry to biological women as even women's only rape crisis centres have been targeted.

The description says:

queer, bi, wlw girlies, trans and non-binary folk 🫶

It doesnt say women only. The leaders are lesbians or dykes.

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