Another BBC mess: "Do you think it’s right to tell transgender people which toilet to use?" Let's ask some men...

I think that would be ok actually. Since TRAs haven't got a leg to stand on in the face of GC arguments let them speak.

It's a really weird question to ask, I think - if they'd asked, "Do you think it's right to tell men which toilet to use?" or "Do you think it's right to tell women which toilet to use?" people would be scratching their heads wondering why you were asking, because it's bloody obvious. People don't get to choose the toilets they use, they are told which one and expected to get on with it.

Also, as well as missing out gender-critical women, they missed out gender-critical men. They do exist after all - many men want single sex spaces not just for women but for themselves. And the men could make a case for welcoming trans women in the men's.

No problem because gender critical people are sensible, articulate and well-informed, and their opponents are not.

the adulation he clearly feels he needs

Goodness knows where you got this notion from. How silly.

Well, based on the way trans-identifying people and transactivists have so far refused to appear on the same programme as sex-realist women to actually debate this issue, I think the BBC might have problems achieving this.

And why the dig at Nick? It wasn't he who first complained to the BBC about this unbalanced programme and got a proper apology, but an X user called Bob and Nick makes this clear. All Nick does in this blog post is report on the case. He's a journalist.

Has anyone told Oxfam how transphobic they are by campaigning for single sex toilets in India and Pakistan?

But it’s not flawed. Actually, unisex or “all gender” toilets should be individual and lockable but often are not. During the Stonewall Law era, many places just converted their toilets to unisex by changing the signs on the doors, )looking at you Bristol Watershed). MSo in those spaces, TIM are in just as much danger as they would be in male spaces don’t you think, as they are now sharing the spaces with the very men they are afraid of. So in that case, campaigning for unisex toilets without requiring conversion could be seen as transphobic couldn’t it?

Over a hundred years ago we stopped doing this in the UK.

We still advise third world countries not to do this.

Why are you suggesting a regression to before women had the vote?

And apparently this passes for progressive?!

I didn’t say that this conversion should happen. I was just pointing out why your argument was flawed

But why would that be a problem? Surely it’s good people hear both sides of the debate. It’ll enable both sides to put forth their most coherent and logical arguments won’t it? I mean one side you’ve got men saying they want to access female spaces because they want to, and the other side women explaining why they should not be allowed. It’d be an eye opener I think.

What a very biased set of 'contributors' for goodness sake!
Obvious from the start! The BBC just can't help themselves can they?

And unisex, rather 'mixed sex' loos, are not the answer.
Where is our toilet expert to explain for the umpteenth time about all things loo related?

But no: it is not all about loos (and they say sex-realists are obsessed)

I do think Nick's actions here will backfire. It essentially means that any time any GC person is on - they will have to be balanced by either someone trans or trans inclusive. So it's not quite the win he's making out - but that won't bring in the adulation he clearly feels he needs.

And who would pay for this conversion? are you expecting small businesses to spend thousands of pounds just because some men won’t use the male toilets? Why should they?

Don’t unisex spaces have to be individually lockable? There wouldn’t be any sharing

But don’t TIM claim they are unsafe in male spaces? If toilets are unisex, the very males TIM are afraid of will be in those spaces with them. Won’t that make the TIM unsafe? Surely if TIM are safe in unisex spaces, they will be safe in the male toilets.

What an entirely stupid suggestion.

Knowing the presenter in question it’s not a surprise that this happened. It’ll happen again while the BBC is so fatally captured. Top work by the man who made the original complaint, it’s an unusually self reflective response that he got and I hope he peruses it for more answers. Nick is a bloody legend as well, a supremely welcome addition to the fight for common sense.

That's a terrible idea and would only encourage dangerous people as well as making toilets unusable for most women

You really haven’t figured out what this row is really all about, have you.

This is a zero sum game, and the trans activists gain by taking something away from women.

You can only believe this bullshit if you fundamentally believe in binary sex and that men matter in ways that women don't. That men have 'needs', and women have no right gatekeeping their bodies from them.

Thank God the law spoke and it's too late for wittering now.

Oh let's run that through the bullshit translator:

'should men deprive women of access, equality, privacy and dignity in order to use those women to meet their own needs?'

Well no. Not unless you're a sexist arse. Obviously.