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Another BBC mess: "Do you think it’s right to tell transgender people which toilet to use?" Let's ask some men...

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BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 12/09/2026 19:14

https://genderblog.net/bbc-gender-apology-row/

From Nick Wallis' Genderblog:

On 6 August 2026, BBC Three Counties local radio station, which covers Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire and Buckinghamshire, ran a half hour current affairs chat on the Jonathan Vernon-Smith Show. The midday item was posed as a question: “Do you think it’s right to tell transgender people which toilet to use?”

The first contributor put on air to talk about that question were Robin Moira White, a male barrister who claims to be a woman. Robin advocates for men to be able to use women’s toilets and does so himself. The next guest was Nora Padilla, a full-time policy officer at the campaign group TransActual, which also advocates for men to be able to use women’s toilets. Then we heard from “Michelle” from Watford. Like Robin, Michelle is a man who claims to be a woman and – surprise surprise – advocates for male use of female facilities....
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And the story goes on. And gets more and more damning for the BBC. The useless, ridiculously activist, taxpayer-supported BBC... Still.

BBC Gender Apology Row

Now they’re in trouble. Sex Matters. (l-r) Dr Helen Joyce, Maya Forstater and Fiona McAnena I am not a defund the BBC sort, but I can understand the frustrations of those who are. I have spok…

https://genderblog.net/bbc-gender-apology-row/

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Rollingpinofdoom · 13/09/2026 00:35

alcovecupboards · 13/09/2026 00:32

Agreed! Though they also do some good work which frankly should have been done by the likes of Sex Matters - but I'm not sure all of their board care about anything that doesn't involve trans people.

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Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. What good work have the Good Laugh Project done? They’ve lost nearly every case they’ve brought and now they’re grifting again. Unless you mean services to comedy. In which case, yeah they’ve done good work.

NotTodayTy · 13/09/2026 00:35

Rollingpinofdoom · 13/09/2026 00:32

So that’s a no on the benefits then. Gotcha. In that case No!

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What about if I agreed with you there is no benefit to women? Wouldn’t you also agree there is also no benefit to trans women for using male spaces?

iwishitwouldstartraining · 13/09/2026 00:34

NotTodayTy · 13/09/2026 00:27

No, you’re just asking us to put ourselves in degrading and unsafe situations. Why specifically should I care what GC women want?

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You should certainly campaign for adequate unisex or dedicated provision where appropriate.

alcovecupboards · 13/09/2026 00:32

AimsAndObjectives · 12/09/2026 23:46

Now do the Good Law Project😁

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Agreed! Though they also do some good work which frankly should have been done by the likes of Sex Matters - but I'm not sure all of their board care about anything that doesn't involve trans people.

Rollingpinofdoom · 13/09/2026 00:32

NotTodayTy · 13/09/2026 00:30

No, come on. You have zero care for the need of trans women. Why should we care about GC needs?

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So that’s a no on the benefits then. Gotcha. In that case No!

iwishitwouldstartraining · 13/09/2026 00:32

NotTodayTy · 13/09/2026 00:30

No, come on. You have zero care for the need of trans women. Why should we care about GC needs?

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I doubt that most women know what you mean by 'GC', or that you have a clear idea either.

But apparently you think they should all give up single sex provision? That everything should be mixed sex?

FlirtsWithRhinos · 13/09/2026 00:31

NotTodayTy · 13/09/2026 00:23

Are you at all concerned with how trans women feel and what they want?

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Of course! But no more than any other group. And certainly I don't as a woman feel any particular obligation to support trans women in particular over anyone else. I don't think trans women have some sort of special claim or moral right to female protections, rights or resources simply because they choose to use the word "woman" to describe themselves, or think trans women are objectively any closer to female people than other male people are.

Thank you for asking. It's great that you actually asked rather than just assuming.

Rollingpinofdoom · 13/09/2026 00:30

NotTodayTy · 13/09/2026 00:27

No, you’re just asking us to put ourselves in degrading and unsafe situations. Why specifically should I care what GC women want?

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So no answer to the benefits to women yet……. I thought TW were women? Shouldn’t they be using their feminine empathy and compassion to put the feelings of others before themselves and to #bekind?

iwishitwouldstartraining · 13/09/2026 00:30

NotTodayTy · 13/09/2026 00:23

Are you at all concerned with how trans women feel and what they want?

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Are you not at all concerned about what women want?

Does it not occur to you that there are reasons why they need single sex spaces in some circumstances? That this is why there are exemptions in the Equality Act that specifically allow this?

NotTodayTy · 13/09/2026 00:30

Rollingpinofdoom · 13/09/2026 00:28

What, by telling you to use the men’s? Have you tried reframing your trauma?

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No, come on. You have zero care for the need of trans women. Why should we care about GC needs?

Rollingpinofdoom · 13/09/2026 00:28

NotTodayTy · 13/09/2026 00:27

No, you’re just asking us to put ourselves in degrading and unsafe situations. Why specifically should I care what GC women want?

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What, by telling you to use the men’s? Have you tried reframing your trauma?

Rollingpinofdoom · 13/09/2026 00:27

AimsAndObjectives · 13/09/2026 00:26

You're on a feminism board asking us to consider what men want?

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Male entitlement strikes again 😂😂😂😂😂

NotTodayTy · 13/09/2026 00:27

Rollingpinofdoom · 13/09/2026 00:24

No. Why should I be? I’m not demanding they give up their right to single sex spaces am I? So any answer on the benefits to women yet?

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No, you’re just asking us to put ourselves in degrading and unsafe situations. Why specifically should I care what GC women want?

AimsAndObjectives · 13/09/2026 00:26

NotTodayTy · 13/09/2026 00:23

Are you at all concerned with how trans women feel and what they want?

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You're on a feminism board asking us to consider what men want?

Rollingpinofdoom · 13/09/2026 00:24

NotTodayTy · 13/09/2026 00:23

Are you at all concerned with how trans women feel and what they want?

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No. Why should I be? I’m not demanding they give up their right to single sex spaces am I? So any answer on the benefits to women yet?

Palomiino · 13/09/2026 00:24

SirChenjins · 12/09/2026 19:16

All men should keep out of women's toilets. The problem that they alone have created will be solved.

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I agree.

NotTodayTy · 13/09/2026 00:23

Rollingpinofdoom · 13/09/2026 00:18

You still haven’t come up with a benefit to women to giving up their single sex spaces. You still haven’t explained how allowing men in will make women safer. All you seem concerned about is how TIM feel and what they want. It’s almost like women are just not worthy in your opinion to their own rights, wants and needs.

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Are you at all concerned with how trans women feel and what they want?

iwishitwouldstartraining · 13/09/2026 00:22

Rollingpinofdoom · 13/09/2026 00:13

It doesn’t matter. Women are saying no. They don’t even need a reason. No is a compete sentence. TIM can use the men’s there. They’ll be perfectly safe. Even the ones who are convinced they “pass”.

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Well yes, there is that too.

iwishitwouldstartraining · 13/09/2026 00:22

iwishitwouldstartraining · 13/09/2026 00:09

In practice, it's not that simple.

People require more privacy in mixed sex toilets so you need fully enclosed cubicles which require more space.

If you can find more space, you still have the problem that a fully enclosed publicly accessible lockable room creates opportunity for crime and makes it difficult to help somebody in distress.

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accidentally replied to my own post...

Rollingpinofdoom · 13/09/2026 00:19

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Apparently so! I men, I knew TIM have absurd levels of self hate but that’s a bit harsh.

Rollingpinofdoom · 13/09/2026 00:18

NotTodayTy · 13/09/2026 00:14

This was certainly an eye opening experience. You say you want someone to explain the argument, but then respond with personal attacks of wilful misinterpretation or inane circular logic. I enjoy a good debate, but this is like wrestling with a pig. We both get dirty, but you enjoy it.

You still haven’t come up with a benefit to women to giving up their single sex spaces. You still haven’t explained how allowing men in will make women safer. All you seem concerned about is how TIM feel and what they want. It’s almost like women are just not worthy in your opinion to their own rights, wants and needs.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 13/09/2026 00:17

NotTodayTy · 13/09/2026 00:14

This was certainly an eye opening experience. You say you want someone to explain the argument, but then respond with personal attacks of wilful misinterpretation or inane circular logic. I enjoy a good debate, but this is like wrestling with a pig. We both get dirty, but you enjoy it.

Time for your listening ears (or better reading comprehension if you prefer.
It's the word NO that you're not hearing. Women (and the law) say NO.

Myalternate · 13/09/2026 00:17

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NotTodayTy · 13/09/2026 00:14

This was certainly an eye opening experience. You say you want someone to explain the argument, but then respond with personal attacks of wilful misinterpretation or inane circular logic. I enjoy a good debate, but this is like wrestling with a pig. We both get dirty, but you enjoy it.

Rollingpinofdoom · 13/09/2026 00:13

iwishitwouldstartraining · 13/09/2026 00:09

In practice, it's not that simple.

People require more privacy in mixed sex toilets so you need fully enclosed cubicles which require more space.

If you can find more space, you still have the problem that a fully enclosed publicly accessible lockable room creates opportunity for crime and makes it difficult to help somebody in distress.

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It doesn’t matter. Women are saying no. They don’t even need a reason. No is a compete sentence. TIM can use the men’s there. They’ll be perfectly safe. Even the ones who are convinced they “pass”.

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