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Another BBC mess: "Do you think it’s right to tell transgender people which toilet to use?" Let's ask some men...

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BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 12/09/2026 19:14

https://genderblog.net/bbc-gender-apology-row/

From Nick Wallis' Genderblog:

On 6 August 2026, BBC Three Counties local radio station, which covers Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire and Buckinghamshire, ran a half hour current affairs chat on the Jonathan Vernon-Smith Show. The midday item was posed as a question: “Do you think it’s right to tell transgender people which toilet to use?”

The first contributor put on air to talk about that question were Robin Moira White, a male barrister who claims to be a woman. Robin advocates for men to be able to use women’s toilets and does so himself. The next guest was Nora Padilla, a full-time policy officer at the campaign group TransActual, which also advocates for men to be able to use women’s toilets. Then we heard from “Michelle” from Watford. Like Robin, Michelle is a man who claims to be a woman and – surprise surprise – advocates for male use of female facilities....
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And the story goes on. And gets more and more damning for the BBC. The useless, ridiculously activist, taxpayer-supported BBC... Still.

BBC Gender Apology Row

Now they’re in trouble. Sex Matters. (l-r) Dr Helen Joyce, Maya Forstater and Fiona McAnena I am not a defund the BBC sort, but I can understand the frustrations of those who are. I have spok…

https://genderblog.net/bbc-gender-apology-row/

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akkakk · 13/09/2026 08:37

NotTodayTy · 13/09/2026 00:49

It’s not just about transphobia though, is it? Trans people so strongly identify with the opposite sex we transition. What is the benefit to using a space that causes distress?

Nope

  • no-one has ever transitioned.
  • no ‘trans woman’ has yet shown why there is any greater risk in using the men’s loos than alternatives
  • any space a ‘trans woman’ goes into becomes a male or mixed space because they are men. It is impossible for a ‘trans woman’ to be in a ‘female only’ space as their presence means it is no longer female only.
  • so women’s spaces are eradicated by a ‘trans woman’ entering them and making them mixed sex.
  • men have no issue with ‘trans women’ in men’s spaces because they are men - if you are a jumpers and jeans type of chap as you describe yourself then you will fit in very well - we are even used to having men wearing make up and nail polish in the gents!
  • men pretending to be women don’t ‘pass’ there are too many clues - your continued use of women’s spaces will be causing concern to women…

p.s. there is no such thing as cis men - all who are born male are men - end of discussion! You don’t get to label us…

borntobequiet · 13/09/2026 08:33

NotTodayTy · 13/09/2026 00:49

It’s not just about transphobia though, is it? Trans people so strongly identify with the opposite sex we transition. What is the benefit to using a space that causes distress?

It’s a mystery why this strong identification with the opposite sex doesn’t give you any insight as to why female people don’t want male people in their changing rooms and toilets, however strong their delusion may be.
You’re a man. Use male or unisex spaces. Keep out of women’s.

borntobequiet · 13/09/2026 08:21

alcovecupboards · 12/09/2026 23:34

Not billions but don't you find it odd that there are a few people who never mentioned it until they found a way to monetize it? Nick being one. Sharon Davies being another. She was down to her last farthing a few years ago and now she's raking in £400 a day at taxpayer's expense. You really think she believes half the nonsense she spouts?

Carry on, you’re doing a great job.

ArabellaScott · 13/09/2026 07:55

NotTodayTy · 13/09/2026 00:49

It’s not just about transphobia though, is it? Trans people so strongly identify with the opposite sex we transition. What is the benefit to using a space that causes distress?

Gosh, the selfishness is actually spectacular.

Women are not concerned with how using our spaces may 'benefit' some men.

We have rights to privacy, safety, and dignity. We fought hard for them.

You can't have them.

ArabellaScott · 13/09/2026 07:51

NotTodayTy · 12/09/2026 23:50

I think we should go back to the old approach. Trans women use female spaces with the rampant entitlement we see today. You do your best to blend in and be pleasant, and you don’t ask and don’t tell. Simple.

'I think we should let men do whatever they want and women should not make a fuss. Simple'

ArabellaScott · 13/09/2026 07:40

Helleofabore · 13/09/2026 04:24

There are reasons why female people need to have single sex communal basins and public space not just cubicles in busy provisions.

Which is why building regs and H&S regs mandate it.

nutmeg7 · 13/09/2026 07:38

NotTodayTy · 13/09/2026 00:02

What about the warm fuzzy feeling you’ll get from being nice to others? 😉

Why do women always have to be nice in a situation that is to our detriment?

We’ll be nice out of fear of what can happen when women aren’t nice to a male person.

Women are always expected to be caretakers at our own expense.

nutmeg7 · 13/09/2026 07:33

NotTodayTy · 13/09/2026 00:35

What about if I agreed with you there is no benefit to women? Wouldn’t you also agree there is also no benefit to trans women for using male spaces?

It is more than “lack of positive benefit” to women. It is actively detrimental to women. Half of the human race. Why should we accept that reduction in the provision made for the female sex?

Trans women might not like going into male toilets but it doesn’t mean that any man uncomfortable using male toilets should be allowed into the female toilets (or prison, or any other space).

Trans people should have campaigned for third unisex spaces all along if they had the remotest understanding of what it means to be female in the world and what this means for how safe women feel in closed off spaces with male-bodied people. But they don’t understand.

We do not owe it to any male person to give up what women campaigned for.

Rollingpinofdoom · 13/09/2026 07:01

BunnyBunbunbun · 13/09/2026 06:54

How does that solve the problem for transwomen who specifically only want to use the women's toilets?

Would you extend this principle to other same-sex areas, e.g. hospital wards or sports? Would you make them all unisex too?

Surely the term these days is "gender neutral" and not unisex. Unisex implies that biological sex is a reality whereas "gender neutral" underlines that "gender identity" is the category and any classifications around gender identity are value judgements.

But all single sex toilets are already gender neutral.

BunnyBunbunbun · 13/09/2026 06:54

FairAmberEagle · 12/09/2026 19:15

All toilets should just go unisex. Problem solved.

How does that solve the problem for transwomen who specifically only want to use the women's toilets?

Would you extend this principle to other same-sex areas, e.g. hospital wards or sports? Would you make them all unisex too?

Surely the term these days is "gender neutral" and not unisex. Unisex implies that biological sex is a reality whereas "gender neutral" underlines that "gender identity" is the category and any classifications around gender identity are value judgements.

Rollingpinofdoom · 13/09/2026 05:07

Myalternate · 13/09/2026 01:08

I use the icons on my iPad 💜🤍💚

Me too

Helleofabore · 13/09/2026 04:24

NotTodayTy · 12/09/2026 19:37

Don’t unisex spaces have to be individually lockable? There wouldn’t be any sharing

There are reasons why female people need to have single sex communal basins and public space not just cubicles in busy provisions.

Helleofabore · 13/09/2026 04:12

NotTodayTy · 13/09/2026 00:49

It’s not just about transphobia though, is it? Trans people so strongly identify with the opposite sex we transition. What is the benefit to using a space that causes distress?

There are other groups of male people who find it distressing to use spaces designated for male people for a range of reasons. Should all those male people also use the female single sex provisions? They too would benefit from doing so.

Why should one group of male people get additional privileges over all other male people?

Helleofabore · 13/09/2026 04:05

alcovecupboards · 12/09/2026 19:47

I do think Nick's actions here will backfire. It essentially means that any time any GC person is on - they will have to be balanced by either someone trans or trans inclusive. So it's not quite the win he's making out - but that won't bring in the adulation he clearly feels he needs.

Imagine thinking that women supporting female single sex provisions would be worried in any way about having a discussion with someone with an opposing view while on national broadcast media!

Giraffehaver · 13/09/2026 01:24

Why wasn't this a balanced discussion? The (male)presenter should at least have sorted out a guest with the opposite view. Impartial? I think not

Myalternate · 13/09/2026 01:08

AimsAndObjectives · 13/09/2026 01:00

I need to know. Where is the white heart in the icons???

I use the icons on my iPad 💜🤍💚

AimsAndObjectives · 13/09/2026 01:00

Rollingpinofdoom · 13/09/2026 00:58

Me too. 💚🤍💜

I need to know. Where is the white heart in the icons???

iwishitwouldstartraining · 13/09/2026 00:59

NotTodayTy · 13/09/2026 00:49

It’s not just about transphobia though, is it? Trans people so strongly identify with the opposite sex we transition. What is the benefit to using a space that causes distress?

You have a subjective idea of what it means to be the opposite sex and you identify with that.

What is the benefit to using a space that causes distress?

Many people find many things distressing - old age, disability, illness, grief.

"grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
courage to change the things I can,
and wisdom to know the difference."

Rollingpinofdoom · 13/09/2026 00:58

AimsAndObjectives · 13/09/2026 00:58

Double yawn. I'm off to bed. 💚💜

Me too. 💚🤍💜

AimsAndObjectives · 13/09/2026 00:58

Rollingpinofdoom · 13/09/2026 00:54

Still not provided one benefit to women to giving up SSS though. We’re now on the calls to “think of the poor TIM”. Yawn.

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Double yawn. I'm off to bed. 💚💜

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 13/09/2026 00:57

NotTodayTy · 13/09/2026 00:49

It’s not just about transphobia though, is it? Trans people so strongly identify with the opposite sex we transition. What is the benefit to using a space that causes distress?

Except you haven't changed your sex because it's literally not possible for a human to change sex. Whatever you think you're identifying as isn't a woman, it's just a figment of your male imagination.

Myalternate · 13/09/2026 00:56

AimsAndObjectives · 13/09/2026 00:53

They are handy for harvesting email addresses though😉

😯

Rollingpinofdoom · 13/09/2026 00:54

AimsAndObjectives · 13/09/2026 00:51

Every post you make demonstrates that you most certainly do not identify with women. You haven't transitioned either. No-one can.

Still not provided one benefit to women to giving up SSS though. We’re now on the calls to “think of the poor TIM”. Yawn.

AimsAndObjectives · 13/09/2026 00:53

Myalternate · 13/09/2026 00:51

Petitions do not cost money to sign or create.

They are handy for harvesting email addresses though😉

Rollingpinofdoom · 13/09/2026 00:52

NotTodayTy · 13/09/2026 00:49

It’s not just about transphobia though, is it? Trans people so strongly identify with the opposite sex we transition. What is the benefit to using a space that causes distress?

If a man is sad having to use the male facilities, why does that make it ok to use the female facilities? He is not female, therefore does not belong in female spaces. It’s not women’s problem.

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