Another BBC mess: "Do you think it’s right to tell transgender people which toilet to use?" Let's ask some men...

Unisex loos are not the answer; our loos expert can absolutely refute this.
They'd be more accurately termed 'mixed sex' anyway wouldn't they?

No thanks

If you believe that woman = tits, long hair, lipstick and a skirt rather than biology then presumably once you have acquired some (artificial or artificial hormone induced) tits, grown your hair (or popped on a wig) and put on a skirt & some lippy it is job done.

If you can't see that female isn't a checklist of costume items then it must be difficult to grasp why you haven't 'achieved' woman by completing the list.

Get lost, I don't want to use the toilet with men around, end of!

Speaking of Sex Matters, which we were at some point on this thread, I have just read this from Maya F:

The other big thing I have been doing this week, together with Sex Matters’ trustees – Emma Hilton, our chair, and Michael Biggs, Rebecca Bull, Simon Knapp and Anya Palmer – is shortlisting applications for new trustees to join our board.
We have been blown away by the breadth and quality of applications. 53 people applied, including senior charity chief executives and NHS clinicians, City lawyers and barristers, professors, a former government minister, senior bankers and technologists – people who have spent decades running organisations, sitting on boards and leading in their fields, putting themselves forward to help govern this small charity.
Charities are difficult to govern, and Sex Matters is more difficult than most. It says a lot that some of the most accomplished people in their professions want to give us their time and do so publicly because they believe the work matters, and because they believe we have built something worthy of their time, trust, reputation and hard work.

I find that very cheering.

Well quite. The penis isn't the only way to assault.

I don’t really want to know tbh.

I believe it is likely reports from sexual partners. But it was some of those common comments that we used to see 5-6 years ago. As if that change made all the difference to being female…. however it was one of the bases for the ‘girl dick’ argument.

That and that it was flacid. It is also one of the bases why some people declare those male people to be ‘safe’. Those people always forget that there is more than one way to cause sexual harm.

I'm also confused as to how point 3 works unless the penis owner now on drugs is either a gay man or a contortionist. How do they know?

That's because some men look at tits first. And that's all they see.

The rest of us see the gait, hands, build, Adam's apple and say no chance.

Remember! The list is

Male breast development that resembles female breast development but is not female breast development. ✔

Soft skin ✔

A penis that doesn't taste or smell like a penis when testosterone is not replaced by estrogen ✔

Fat redistributed around the body if that male person decides to not undergo fitness training ✔

Slowed growth of body and facial hair ✔

These are the changes that hormones deliver. Notice what is going to be the one that the population will notice? Breasts.

I think it is safe to say that it is always about getting breasts. Some men believe that breasts are that important to being female.

I also remember not just the caricature of male people wearing prosthetic breasts, including drag costumes. But even male people who have been celebrated by some men as being ‘reasonable’ transwomen, make breasts their focus. Such as making comments about how female value hierarchies revolve around biggest breasts as the highest value in the female hierarchy.

So… male people with breast development = female!

And some male people think that having breasts = pass as female.

And this isn’t a fetish??

Do we all look stupid??? 🙄

Aye right enough in those breeks you definitely would.

You'd see those: there would be lumps.

I thought ants in the pants

What is actually wrong with him, though? Has he got worms?

It would suggest that nothing a woman says or does actually impinges until the moment it negatively affects the man - and that the man in question perceives 'woman' as limited entirely to a pair of 'walking boobs'.

Interestingly, there is a video now going around where a male (assuming he is from the UK) is complaining because a female beauty treatment staff member ‘clocked’ that he was male and used correct sex language when discussing him with her colleague. (Clocked is his term)

He posted a video describing his shock, because according to him, he had his ‘tits out’ and was looking ‘gorg’.

He was shocked that someone chose not to act as if they believed he has female. He thought that he had successfully ‘passed’ all this time because people have acted as if he was female. There really are a group of men who have mistaken people’s politeness as their success in ‘passing’.

This is also an example of what comes from male people believing that if they can develop their male breast tissue then it is assumed that they will not be correctly identified as being male. Like Ty’s list.

I really do very much agree with this, but I fear that arrests are not going to happen when you really have to be blatant about full-on indecent exposure to get arrested for that. I mean, flashing your genitals through the fence at an entire primary school during playtime, or on a school bus, that sort of full on. Children do seem to get a little more protection than women...

At that point really it has become exhibitionism and open boundary breaking committed by a man in a women's space where women are undressed and vulnerable, and arrests should be made. It pretty much ends the 'we just want to pee' nonsense and rips the fig leaf off 'this is the shallow waters of sex offending'.

TIMs have made it clear that they are going to film themselves in public lavatories no matter how distasteful everyone else finds it, so I suppose people may have begun to feel there is little point in telling them they ought not to.

I think they have an OF account - so it was more of an attention seeking stunt which fell very flat. I think the only discomfort that the men felt was because he was acting so weird. It’s interesting because over the past few weeks there have been a number of activists complaining about the legality of filming in toilets (usually men in the ladies) but in this case radio silence.

I love the comment Luna posted under that.

He shouldn't be filming and making a show of himself.

Is that transwoman in the first video suffering from some sort of restless leg syndrome, only in the hips? I have never seen any natal women walking like that: we don't as a rule want the sort of male attention that would get us.

All power to them for posting what they did, though.

https://x.com/rocknroller2019/status/2080718356672659906?s=46&t=ZX_bLozRqm8etdGICMcAvA

And another.

https://x.com/olilondontv/status/2100279942613508403?s=46

I think it is good that men are posting this type of video on line to assure other men that it doesn’t matter what you look like, there are male toilets that you can use safely.

There was also an older man who posted and was counting his toilet use in the UK and I think he had reached over 1000 safe male public toilet uses over the years and zero incidents.

The more people get to see this happening in real life, the better. Men will know that they are quite safe and can respect female people’s need to have a female only provision.