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Healthiest and Unhealthiest relationships in songs?

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 12/09/2026 09:59

As I was cleaning the house this morning I was musing on those songs that come on the radio that you've been singing along with for years where you suddenly actually listen to the lyrics and either think 'well you sound very sensible' or 'intervention. NOW'. Any one got any suggestions? The ones I came up with first were

Healthy - Respect by Aretha Franklin. I know it's a cliche, and the guy she's singing about sounds like borderline not a keeper frankly, but I love the line 'I ain't gonna do you wrong, cause I don't want to'. She's all in, but she's still telling him how she expects to be treated

Red buntingtastic - Never Gonna Give You Up - why wouldn't she get a full commitment from any other guy Rick, you gaslighting bastard?

Anyone else fancy whiling away some weekend time thinking up some examples?

(mumsnet's AI suggested a thread title of 'Songs that sound sensible or alarming once you really hear the lyrics' which I kind of love but decided not to go with!)

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Uricon2 · 12/09/2026 18:48

This was my grandfathers favourite song (b 1893) as it for him was about my (b 1895 grandmother, who did indeed have sea blue eyes) He used to sing it to her.

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NewspaperTaxis · 12/09/2026 18:44

'I've been cheated by you since I don't know when...'

Red flags first line. In fairness, it's not just Mamma Mia - which is a brilliant song - many male love songs have that 'she's giving me the runaround' lyric. George Michael specialised in this - Freedom, Wake Me Up, Cowboys and Angels, really.

Maggie May by Rod is a lyrically great song... but many of these songs have a subtext because he's a young lad regretfully dumping his older lover and plausibly making it sound like he's the wronged party! So he can, in due course, shag younger talent and presumably write more songs about those interactions.

Walk Away by Matt Monro and lyrics by the still alive Don Black is an example of a fine decent 'no can do, love' song, maybe If I Needed Someone off Beatles' Rubber Soul, too.

The Beatle lyrics I cited earlier was from No Reply which is a belter but... 'If I were you, I realise that I / Love you more than any other guy' which now might elicit the response, Yeah, that's why I'm dumping you, you clingy bastard...

thisismeithinkorisit · 12/09/2026 18:43

Slow down,
we've got time left to be lazy
All the kids have bloomed from babies into flowers in our eyes.
We've got 50 good years left to spend out in the garden
I don't care to beg your pardon,
We should live until we die.

We were barely 18 when we'd crossed collective hearts.
It was cold, but it got warm when you'd barely crossed my eye.
and then you turned, put out your hand,
and you asked me to dance.
I knew nothing of romance, but it was love at second sight.

I swear when I grow up, I won't just buy you a rose.
I will buy the flower shop, and you will never be lonely.
Even if the sun stops waking up over the fields
I will not leave, I will not leave 'till it's our time.
So just take my hand, you know that I will never leave your side.

It was the winter of '86, and all the fields had frozen over.
So we moved to Arizona to save our only son
and now he's turning to a man, although he thinks just like his mother,
he believes we're all just lovers he sees hope in everyone.

And even though she moved away,
we always get calls from our daughter.
She has eyes just like her father's
they are blue when skies are grey
And just like him, she never stops,
Never takes the day for granted,
works for everything that's handed to her,
Never once complains.

You think that I nearly lost you
When the doctors tried to take you away.
But like the night you took my hand beside the fire
30 years ago to this day
You swore you'd be here 'til we decide that it's our time
Well it's not time, you've never quit in all your life.
So just take my hand, you know that I'll never leave your side.
You're the love of my life, you know that I'll never leave your side.

You come home from work and you kiss me on the eye
You curse the dogs and say that I should never feed them what is ours
and the kids are coming home
I'll set the table
You can make the fire.

pontefractals · 12/09/2026 18:39

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 12/09/2026 12:18

you people are the reason I haven't changed the bed linen. Just sayin'

I always thought the Manchester Rambler raised red flags

I once loved a maid, a spot welder by trade
She was fair as the rowan in bloom
And the bloom of her eye matched the blue moorland sky
I wooed her from April to June
(3 month courtship to marriage? love bombing)

On the day that we should have been married
I went for a ramble instead
For sooner than part from the mountains
I think I would rather be dead
(Ewan, you could have rambled together, surely? no need to leave her at the altar. or she could have spot welded while you rambled. there were other solutions man)

Oh, Ewan always struck me as being a right dick. Wrote some good songs and did somw good stuff, but still your classic lefty arse of a bloke. He was at least a better singer than mr Bragg of that parish, though.

NewspaperTaxis · 12/09/2026 18:38

Although according to another post upstream, this is indeed what the song is about!

Uricon2 · 12/09/2026 18:38

NewspaperTaxis · 12/09/2026 18:33

Absolutely me too, bloody hell it's like you go your whole life not knowing what an ignorant bloody fool you are it's like the near-final scene in The Music Box with Jessica Lang.
Just thought it was, bloke's gotta get away from the clubbing scene, clear his air for a moment, can leave his gal with his mates (kids) for a while cos they're okay.

I'm a bit heartened by the alternative interpretation that he was leaving someone (adult girlfriend) with mates while he went out to clear his head , possibly permanently. Preferable to the child abandonment scenario.

NewspaperTaxis · 12/09/2026 18:33

Uricon2 · 12/09/2026 17:31

Again, I think I must have been lyric ignorant for my entire 60 odd years!

I honestly thought "The Kids Are Alright" was a defiant youth anthem, celebrating freedom...as 'kids', ie teenagers.

I blame Roger Daltreys diction on this occasion.

Absolutely me too, bloody hell it's like you go your whole life not knowing what an ignorant bloody fool you are it's like the near-final scene in The Music Box with Jessica Lang.
Just thought it was, bloke's gotta get away from the clubbing scene, clear his air for a moment, can leave his gal with his mates (kids) for a while cos they're okay.

NooNakedJacuzziness · 12/09/2026 18:28

CrowsInMyGarden · 12/09/2026 17:55

@NooNakedJacuzziness
Where the wild roses grow was a track on Nick Caves murder ballads album. There were a few other tracks on the album where the murderer is a woman. Henry Lee gets stabbed in the neck by his lover and The Curse of Milhaven tells of a 15 year old girl who murders quite a few towns people, some of which are men.

Oh right, I didn’t realise - thanks. Sounds very twisted, I may well give it a listen!

NewspaperTaxis · 12/09/2026 18:26

Thebellsofshoreditch · 12/09/2026 16:37

I love this interpretation but I thought he was cursing Walter Raleigh for introducing tobacco to the UK!

'If you don't know be by now'
Unhealthy! He's protesting too much !!!!

Perhaps John Denver missed a trick and 'Leaving on a Jet Plane' should work in a curse directed at the Wright Brothers?!

FlirtsWithRhinos · 12/09/2026 18:25

Lins77 · 12/09/2026 18:22

They've definitely had some dodgy moments, but I think Prettiest Eyes by the Beautiful South is a very sweet song about ageing and still being in love.

Aside from one dig at skinny models, Perfect 10 is pretty healthy as well

Lins77 · 12/09/2026 18:22

They've definitely had some dodgy moments, but I think Prettiest Eyes by the Beautiful South is a very sweet song about ageing and still being in love.

KindlySurfiingPlatypus · 12/09/2026 18:10

RosieHosie · 12/09/2026 18:01

Is that one nice? I thought he told her he loved her till the end of time so he could get his leg over and afterwards he's praying for the end of time to come.

Yes sorry I was being sarcastic there. Difficult to communicate in text I know

RosieHosie · 12/09/2026 18:01

KindlySurfiingPlatypus · 12/09/2026 17:00

Another nice healthy one from Meatloaf (another duet)

I gotta know right now, do you love me?
Will you love me forever? Do you need me?
Will you never leave me?
Will you make me so happy for the rest of my life?
Will you take me away and will you make me your wife?

Let me sleep on it (Will you love me forever?)
Let me sleep on it (Will you love me forever?)

I couldn't take it any longer, Lord, I was crazed
And when the feeling came upon me like a tidal wave
Started swearing to my God and on my mother's grave
That I would love you to the end of time
I swore I would love you to the end of time

So now I'm praying for the end of time
To hurry up and arrive
'Cause if I gotta spend another minute with you
I don't think that I can really survive
I'll never break my promise or forget my vow
But God only knows what I can do right now
I'm praying for the end of time, it's all that I can do
Praying for the end of time so I can end my time with you

Well, it was long ago, and it was far away
And it was so much better than it is today

Is that one nice? I thought he told her he loved her till the end of time so he could get his leg over and afterwards he's praying for the end of time to come.

CrowsInMyGarden · 12/09/2026 17:57

I can’t stand Sexual Healing. He just goes on and on about his wants, needs and urges.

CrowsInMyGarden · 12/09/2026 17:55

@NooNakedJacuzziness
Where the wild roses grow was a track on Nick Caves murder ballads album. There were a few other tracks on the album where the murderer is a woman. Henry Lee gets stabbed in the neck by his lover and The Curse of Milhaven tells of a 15 year old girl who murders quite a few towns people, some of which are men.

ArabellaScott · 12/09/2026 17:49

I may not always love you
But long as there are stars above you
You never need to doubt it
I'll make you so sure about it

God only knows what I'd be without you
If you should ever leave me
Well, life would still go on, believe me
The world could show nothing to me
So what good would living do me?

God only knows what I'd be without you
God only knows what I'd be without you

If you should ever leave me
Though life would still go on, believe me
The world could show nothing to me
So what good would living do me?
God only knows what I'd be without you

ElenOfTheWays · 12/09/2026 17:44

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 12/09/2026 09:59

As I was cleaning the house this morning I was musing on those songs that come on the radio that you've been singing along with for years where you suddenly actually listen to the lyrics and either think 'well you sound very sensible' or 'intervention. NOW'. Any one got any suggestions? The ones I came up with first were

Healthy - Respect by Aretha Franklin. I know it's a cliche, and the guy she's singing about sounds like borderline not a keeper frankly, but I love the line 'I ain't gonna do you wrong, cause I don't want to'. She's all in, but she's still telling him how she expects to be treated

Red buntingtastic - Never Gonna Give You Up - why wouldn't she get a full commitment from any other guy Rick, you gaslighting bastard?

Anyone else fancy whiling away some weekend time thinking up some examples?

(mumsnet's AI suggested a thread title of 'Songs that sound sensible or alarming once you really hear the lyrics' which I kind of love but decided not to go with!)

Have I just been Rickrolled? Cunning OP very cunning

Abhannmor · 12/09/2026 17:37

I think the kids in this context are ' other guys dancing with my girl / that's fine , I think I know them all pretty well'.

But he ' must get out of my mind ' by himself presumably.

California Dreaming is in the baddie side I think. The music is so haunting and beautiful but essentially he is planning to do the dirty on his girlfriend. ' I'd be safe and warm if I was in LA' and ' if I didn't tell her I could leave today '. Albeit he is riddled with guilt and ' stops into a church I passed along the way' even.
But it is such a gorgeous song . Thanks for this thread OP

Uricon2 · 12/09/2026 17:36

OK. Mr Robert Palmer singing a lovestruck song

I think it was written by Lowell George of Little Feat.

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FlirtsWithRhinos · 12/09/2026 17:36

celandiney · 12/09/2026 17:31

I’m coming really late to this thread but I used to love Dr Hook “If not you” - I used to think was romantic but it now gives me the rage…
Who's gonna water my plants?
Who's gonna patch my pants?
And who's gonna give me
The chance to feel brand new?

Who's gonna iron my shirts?
Who's gonna kiss where it hurts?
And who needs a man when
He flirts the way I do?

Who, if not you?
Who, if not you?
That’s the first half but the rest is similar - stay with me, if you weren’t here who would do the chores does not speak to me of romance the way it used to!
And Sylvia’s Mother is another stalker song - Sylvia’s mother says Sylvia’s busy - too busy to come to the phone,Sylvia’s mother says Sylvia’s happy,and why don’t you leave her alone - well, yes! Sylvia doesn’t want you pestering her,dude,and her mother is doing a great job here!

💯 behind Sylvia's Mother! She has her daughter's back alright!

Apparently it was based on a real phone call.

Uricon2 · 12/09/2026 17:31

Wishesandhorses · 12/09/2026 17:20

The Who, the kids are all right -

I know I've got to get away
Cos I know if I don't, I'll go out of my mind
better leave her behind with the kids
they're all right

Yeah. Ltb. Again.

Reminds me of that MNetter who was musing about her dh who'd left her a text about having gone to find himself in the country for the weekend, and the possibility of texting him back something like 'Oh. Shit. I went to London for the weekend last night to find myself. I wonder what the kids are doing this morning?'

Again, I think I must have been lyric ignorant for my entire 60 odd years!

I honestly thought "The Kids Are Alright" was a defiant youth anthem, celebrating freedom...as 'kids', ie teenagers.

I blame Roger Daltreys diction on this occasion.

ArabellaScott · 12/09/2026 17:31

I can't help it, Wishes. All the wholesome romantic stuff just gets a bit boring after a while.

I'm absolutely not saying anything about big butts.

Or Miss Piggy singing Peaches. 😄

celandiney · 12/09/2026 17:31

I’m coming really late to this thread but I used to love Dr Hook “If not you” - I used to think was romantic but it now gives me the rage…
Who's gonna water my plants?
Who's gonna patch my pants?
And who's gonna give me
The chance to feel brand new?

Who's gonna iron my shirts?
Who's gonna kiss where it hurts?
And who needs a man when
He flirts the way I do?

Who, if not you?
Who, if not you?
That’s the first half but the rest is similar - stay with me, if you weren’t here who would do the chores does not speak to me of romance the way it used to!
And Sylvia’s Mother is another stalker song - Sylvia’s mother says Sylvia’s busy - too busy to come to the phone,Sylvia’s mother says Sylvia’s happy,and why don’t you leave her alone - well, yes! Sylvia doesn’t want you pestering her,dude,and her mother is doing a great job here!

Wishesandhorses · 12/09/2026 17:23

ArabellaScott · 12/09/2026 17:20

I got this feeling on the summer day when you were gone
I crashed my car into the bridge, I watched, I let it burn
I threw your shit into a bag and pushed it down the stairs
I crashed my car into the bridge, I don't care!
I love it, I don't care!

You're on a different road, I'm in the Milky Way
You want me down on Earth, but I am up in space
You're so damn hard to please, we gotta kill this switch
You're from the '70s, but I'm a '90s bitch

Bloody love it.

Sorry, Bernard. I tried to be good but tbh I like the bad songs! 😂

I sympathise, I can't help singing along to the one about

I dug my key into the side of his pretty little souped up four wheel drive
carved my name into his leather seats
took a Louisville slugger to both headlights
slashed a hole in all four tyres
maybe next time he'll think before he cheats

which really ought to have a verse about getting arrested for criminal damage, but it's a good tune!

Wishesandhorses · 12/09/2026 17:20

The Who, the kids are all right -

I know I've got to get away
Cos I know if I don't, I'll go out of my mind
better leave her behind with the kids
they're all right

Yeah. Ltb. Again.

Reminds me of that MNetter who was musing about her dh who'd left her a text about having gone to find himself in the country for the weekend, and the possibility of texting him back something like 'Oh. Shit. I went to London for the weekend last night to find myself. I wonder what the kids are doing this morning?'