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Healthiest and Unhealthiest relationships in songs?

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 12/09/2026 09:59

As I was cleaning the house this morning I was musing on those songs that come on the radio that you've been singing along with for years where you suddenly actually listen to the lyrics and either think 'well you sound very sensible' or 'intervention. NOW'. Any one got any suggestions? The ones I came up with first were

Healthy - Respect by Aretha Franklin. I know it's a cliche, and the guy she's singing about sounds like borderline not a keeper frankly, but I love the line 'I ain't gonna do you wrong, cause I don't want to'. She's all in, but she's still telling him how she expects to be treated

Red buntingtastic - Never Gonna Give You Up - why wouldn't she get a full commitment from any other guy Rick, you gaslighting bastard?

Anyone else fancy whiling away some weekend time thinking up some examples?

(mumsnet's AI suggested a thread title of 'Songs that sound sensible or alarming once you really hear the lyrics' which I kind of love but decided not to go with!)

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MarieDeGournay · 12/09/2026 11:23

This is great fun, thank you OP BernardBlacksMolluscs!

OK, here's a speciality one, a showstopper for the still-closeted young dyke I used to be - Doris Day, wearing trousers and a tie, singing
Once I had a secret love..
..Now I shout it from the highest hills
Even told the golden daffodils
At last, my heart's an open door
And my secret love's no secret anymore
💓💓💓

IsadoraQuagmire · 12/09/2026 11:22

Gribouille · 12/09/2026 11:19

If ever I feel my blood pressure isn't high enough, I just have to think of Burt Bacharach's 'Wives and Lovers' and be glad it's no longer 1963... 🤬🤮

Hey, little girl
Comb your hair, fix your make-up
Soon he will open the door
Don't think because
There's a ring on your finger
You needn't try any more

For wives should always be lovers, too
Run to his arms the moment he comes home to you
I'm warning you

Day after day
There are girls at the office
And men will always be men
Don't send him off
With your hair still in curlers
You may not see him again

For wives should always be lovers, too
Run to his arms the moment he comes home to you
He's almost here

Hey, little girl
Better wear something pretty
Something you'd wear to go to the city
And dim all the lights
Pour the wine, start the music
Time to get ready for love

Oh, time to get ready
Time to get ready
Time to get ready
For love

One of my favourite songs😍

Gizzasec · 12/09/2026 11:21

anewstartin2026 · 12/09/2026 10:22

If you want the ultimate in unhealthy lyrics, I give you ‘He Hit Me and It Felt Like A Kiss’ by 60s girl group, The Crystals.

He hit me
And it felt like a kiss
He hit me
But it didn't hurt me
He couldn't stand to hear me say
That I'd been with someone new
And when I told him I had been untrue
He hit me
And it felt like a kiss (It felt like a kiss)
He hit me
And I knew he loved me
If he didn't care for me
I could have never made him mad
But he hit me
And I was glad
Yes, he hit me
And it felt like a kiss (It felt like a kiss)
He hit me
And I knew I loved him
And then he took me in his arms
With all the tenderness there is
And when he kissed me
He made me his

Jesus H Christ. People still think the 60s was all love & laughter.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 12/09/2026 11:20

MarieDeGournay · 12/09/2026 11:14

Ruby Tuesday by the Rolling Stones - not noted for their respectful lyrics😠
is unusually accepting of a woman's freedom to live her life the way she wants to.
Don't question why she needs to be so free
She'll tell you it's the only way to be
She just can't be chained
To a life where nothing's gained
And nothing's lost..

Also a beautiful song.

Performed ('sung' doesn't come close to describing what she does to the song) by a woman, Melanie Safka, it takes on a different dimension

[yes that's the same Melanie who did 'I got a brand new pair of roller skates'!'

yep, beautiful song, bit of a turn up for the books from Mick 'you could make a dead man come' Jagger

thanks (kind of) for the cover version

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theilltemperedmonster · 12/09/2026 11:19

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 12/09/2026 11:12

It really is easier to find the bad ones

So kiss me and smile for me
Tell me that you'll wait for me
Hold me like you'll never let me go

'Cause I'm leavin' on a jet plane
Don't know when I'll be back again
Oh babe, I hate to go

There's so many times I've let you down
So many times I've played around
And I tell you now, they don't mean a thing
Every place I go, I'll think of you
Every song I sing, I'll sing for you
When I come back, I'll bring your wedding ring

Dear God woman, don't marry him! if he's shagging around and fucking off on a jet plane before you're married you just wait until you're dealing with little kids and sleep deprivation

The antidote to this song is All My Loving.

There must be more songs about bad than good relationships because of the Anna Karenina rule.

Gribouille · 12/09/2026 11:19

If ever I feel my blood pressure isn't high enough, I just have to think of Burt Bacharach's 'Wives and Lovers' and be glad it's no longer 1963... 🤬🤮

Hey, little girl
Comb your hair, fix your make-up
Soon he will open the door
Don't think because
There's a ring on your finger
You needn't try any more

For wives should always be lovers, too
Run to his arms the moment he comes home to you
I'm warning you

Day after day
There are girls at the office
And men will always be men
Don't send him off
With your hair still in curlers
You may not see him again

For wives should always be lovers, too
Run to his arms the moment he comes home to you
He's almost here

Hey, little girl
Better wear something pretty
Something you'd wear to go to the city
And dim all the lights
Pour the wine, start the music
Time to get ready for love

Oh, time to get ready
Time to get ready
Time to get ready
For love

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 12/09/2026 11:18

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 12/09/2026 11:08

Easier to find the bad ones,

How about - King of the groaners - Elvis Costello, I want you

On the positive side

Van Halen - Why can't this be love?

I once made a little playlist of songs called 'I want you'. there's loads, mostly written by men.

Bob Dylan
The Beatles
Savage Garden
Marvin Gaye
Elvis Costello

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clarazabel · 12/09/2026 11:17

Jealous Guy by John Lennon gives me the creeps, funnily enough I don't have the same ick when it's sung by Bryan Ferry. It's still creepy though

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 12/09/2026 11:14

So kiss me and smile for me
Tell me that you'll wait for me
Hold me like you'll never let me go

'Cause I'm leavin' on a jet plane
Don't know when I'll be back again
Oh babe, I hate to go

Verse one was going so well, bit of a turn around in the second

MarieDeGournay · 12/09/2026 11:14

Ruby Tuesday by the Rolling Stones - not noted for their respectful lyrics😠
is unusually accepting of a woman's freedom to live her life the way she wants to.
Don't question why she needs to be so free
She'll tell you it's the only way to be
She just can't be chained
To a life where nothing's gained
And nothing's lost..

Also a beautiful song.

Performed ('sung' doesn't come close to describing what she does to the song) by a woman, Melanie Safka, it takes on a different dimension

[yes that's the same Melanie who did 'I got a brand new pair of roller skates'!'

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 12/09/2026 11:12

It really is easier to find the bad ones

So kiss me and smile for me
Tell me that you'll wait for me
Hold me like you'll never let me go

'Cause I'm leavin' on a jet plane
Don't know when I'll be back again
Oh babe, I hate to go

There's so many times I've let you down
So many times I've played around
And I tell you now, they don't mean a thing
Every place I go, I'll think of you
Every song I sing, I'll sing for you
When I come back, I'll bring your wedding ring

Dear God woman, don't marry him! if he's shagging around and fucking off on a jet plane before you're married you just wait until you're dealing with little kids and sleep deprivation

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SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 12/09/2026 11:08

Easier to find the bad ones,

How about - King of the groaners - Elvis Costello, I want you

On the positive side

Van Halen - Why can't this be love?

LinguisticallyInclined · 12/09/2026 11:07

'I'm going wash that man right out of my hair' very progressive for its time (40s I think?)!

LinguisticallyInclined · 12/09/2026 11:06

Ballad of a Teenage queen by Jonny Cash confuses me a little. Is it good that the successful young woman married the guy who worked at the candy store rather than one of her admirers? I suppose it is true love if she did! Or did she feel obligated...Hmm I like to think it was the former. A bit like 'teenage dirtbag'. She chooses the nice guy she relates to--but is this women settling?

I quite like 'Little Green Apples' by Roger Miller. He appreciates her love albeit acknowledges that he's a bit crap sometimes.

'Baby is a headfuck' by the Wildhearts sends a good message in a more cryptic way. I guess just making a catchy song out of a toxic relationship without valorising or glamourising it as a PP said.

MarieDeGournay · 12/09/2026 11:04

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 12/09/2026 10:59

I love this!

It really is the ultimate f*ck you breakup folksong!

Let him go to his old mother now and set her mind at ease
I hear she is an old, old woman, very hard to please
Ah ’tis fighting me and talking ill is what she’s always doing
Because that I was courting her great big ugly son.

You go gurl!😁

FlirtsWithRhinos · 12/09/2026 11:04

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 12/09/2026 10:43

I rather love Real Dead Ringer for Love

Ever since I can remember you've been hanging around this joint
You've been trying to look away but now you finally got the point
I don't have to know your name and I won't tell you what to do
But a girl, she doesn't live by only rock 'n roll and brew

I mean I don't think they were going to get to the alter but it sounds like they probably had a lot of fun

I was just thinking aboit Meatloaf and where his songs fit!

Two out of three ain't bad - healthy or unhealthy? He doesn't love her but he's honest and seems to want to be with her...

Dead Ringer For Love - i was a bit worried she's using him to piss off her father

@BernardBlacksMolluscs if you are only just discovering Magnetic Fields you are in for such a treat! Plenty of songs for the unhealthy list as well ... Stephin Merritt is an amazing lyricist. Can say the most complex things with the simplest words.

Healthy again - Papa was a Rodeo . Magnetic Fields again. I'm not posting the lyrics because I don't want to spoil the song's journey for a first time listener!

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 12/09/2026 11:04

On the subject of wedding songs, DH and I had this at ours. It just speaks to me of a lovely warm relationship, someone who feels so happy to be with who he is with

I wrote the song two hours before we met
I didn't know your name or what you looked like yet
Oh, I could have stayed at home and gone to bed
I could have gone to see a film instead
You might have changed your mind and seen your friends
Life could have been very different but then
Something changed
Do you believe that there's someone up above?
And does he have a timetable directing acts of love?
Why did I write this song on that one day?
Why did you touch my hand and softly say
"Stop asking questions that don't matter anyway
Just give us a kiss to celebrate here today"
Something changed
When we woke up that morning we had no way of knowing
That in a matter of hours we'd change the way we were going
Where would I be now, where would I be now if we'd never met?
Would I be singing this song to someone else instead?
I don't know but like you just said
Something changed

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 12/09/2026 11:00

anewstartin2026 · 12/09/2026 10:58

Also very unhealthy: No One Else by Weezer

My girl's got a big mouth
With which she blabbers a lot
She laughs at most everything
Whether it's funny or not

And if you see her
Tell her it's over now

I want a girl who will laugh for no one else
When I'm away, she puts her make-up on the shelf
When I'm away, she never leaves the house
I want a girl who laughs for no one else

jesus. The narrator of this song is extremely bad news

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 12/09/2026 10:59

MarieDeGournay · 12/09/2026 10:56

An old song -

Let him go
Let him tarry
Let him sink
Or let him swim
He does not care for me
And I don't care for him
Let him go and find another
Which I hope he will enjoy
For I'm going to marry
A far nicer boy
Smile

I love this!

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 12/09/2026 10:59

theilltemperedmonster · 12/09/2026 10:55

There's a difference between depicting something and valorising it.

yes indeed. it's the ones where it's a love song, and the person writing it probably meant it as a love song, but they casually say something like 'you wouldn't get [a full commitment] from any other guy', and you just think, what??

it can be quite revealing sometimes I think

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anewstartin2026 · 12/09/2026 10:58

Also very unhealthy: No One Else by Weezer

My girl's got a big mouth
With which she blabbers a lot
She laughs at most everything
Whether it's funny or not

And if you see her
Tell her it's over now

I want a girl who will laugh for no one else
When I'm away, she puts her make-up on the shelf
When I'm away, she never leaves the house
I want a girl who laughs for no one else

LinguisticallyInclined · 12/09/2026 10:57

PeachyDaisy · 12/09/2026 10:15

Joelene (RIP Dolly)

'Lover Du Jour' counterbalanced this a little!

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 12/09/2026 10:57

H202too · 12/09/2026 10:55

The beautiful South.
Don't marry her Fuck me. Toxic to both women.

I'll never grow so old and flabby,
that could never be.
Don't marry her, fuck me
And your love light shines like cardboard,
but your work shoes are glistening.
She's a Ph. D in 'I told you so',
you've a knighthood in 'I'm not listening'.
She'll grab your sweaty bollockes,
then slowly raise her knee.
Don't marry her, fuck me

yeah, I've always hated this song. the 'pick me' dance to music. both women just need to get rid of the toxic man in their life

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MarieDeGournay · 12/09/2026 10:56

An old song -

Let him go
Let him tarry
Let him sink
Or let him swim
He does not care for me
And I don't care for him
Let him go and find another
Which I hope he will enjoy
For I'm going to marry
A far nicer boy
Smile

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 12/09/2026 10:56

NotBadConsidering · 12/09/2026 10:54

There’s an Australian band called Weddings Parties Anything whose most famous song is Father’s Day. It was nominated for song of the year when it was released in 1993 and gets a lot of air time around Father’s Day, unsurprisingly.

It’s a jaunty upbeat catchy tune, but the lyrics are about a deadbeat dad living in a half way house with a load of other deadbeats who thinks he’s father of the year because he does the Disney dad thing every Saturday🙄.

It’s not really an aspirational father-son relationship, so I’ve never fathomed why it gets played as a celebratory Father’s Day song.

It's like people having 'The One I Love' by REM as their wedding song

A simple prop to occupy my time

err, listen to the lyrics people!

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