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'Nullification'

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RogueFemale · 11/09/2026 20:36

Grim times on transreddituk. There's a man asking about 'nullification'. Had to google it - it's amputating all male genitalia and making the crotch smooth like a Ken doll. Not even a fake vagina/wound. Nobody on reddit is saying this sounds like a mental health problem, seek help. Is this the physical form of non-binary?

www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1wbv2g3/nullification_surgery/

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RogueFemale · 13/09/2026 11:58

@AstonCanKissMyArse I don't know why your post got deleted either.

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AstonCanKissMyArse · 13/09/2026 11:31

Not sure why i got deleted - are we not allowed to suggest that extreme body modification might be word that starts with k?

A PP has referred to it being 'dark BDSM'

Ironic that I have been censored, given that my comment was reflecting on the damage that has been done to young people in the name of not offending anyone...

GloriaNow · 13/09/2026 10:34

RogueFemale · 11/09/2026 23:25

P.S. @TransParentlyAnnoyed Here's the truth about so-called bottom surgery for men who pretend to be women. (Spoiler: it's not a vagina). genderblog.net/what-exactly-is-a-neo-vagina-then/

I didn't need to read that much detail about myself.
As they say about art, I don't know much but I know what I like.

AstonCanKissMyArse · 12/09/2026 20:47

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PersonIrresponsible · 12/09/2026 19:26

Hilarious...

"I'm reading...."

"That's outrageous....you need to educate yourself"

Are we supposed to use semaphore now of the instead of Roman alphabet in order to better understand why men want to pretend to be women?

Awkwardisfunny · 12/09/2026 19:10

faithfultoGeorgeMichael · 11/09/2026 20:48

I watched a crazy Netflix show about imaginary friends becoming real and the 'bad guy' had this done. And now it is real. Wow.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy!_(TV_series)

Happy! is such a good show. Highly recommended.

Rollingpinofdoom · 12/09/2026 18:24

Maaate · 12/09/2026 15:35

What do they need protecting from?

I think that poster believes Toy Story was a documentary….

Rollingpinofdoom · 12/09/2026 18:23

FairAmberEagle · 12/09/2026 15:11

Protect the dolls.

Why are we protecting dolls? Which dolls? Barbie? Sindy? Tiny tears? Or Cabbage patch kids? Why do they need protecting? You do know Toy Story was not a documentary? Right?

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 12/09/2026 18:15

Perhaps it was a joke, dolls don't have genitals, GI Joe is not anatomically correct, if a man nullifies himself he'll become a walking manikin. 😂

AimsAndObjectives · 12/09/2026 17:46

RogueFemale · 12/09/2026 17:21

I often wonder why they never mention protecting the bricks.

Men do love their status hierarchies.

RogueFemale · 12/09/2026 17:21

AimsAndObjectives · 12/09/2026 15:57

Poor old 'bricks'. Not very inclusive, are you?

I often wonder why they never mention protecting the bricks.

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RogueFemale · 12/09/2026 17:17

EssexLounger · 12/09/2026 14:10

A lot of the abortion debate is around this idea of men wanting control of women's bodies. This sounds a lot like the other way around.

When I read about this particular eunuch maker case in the papers before it was some bizarre subset of a gay BDSM subset.

None of them have ever claimed to be non-binary or female, but we keep imagining that they are and being outraged over something that isn't happening.

Even the reddit user name of "gay sloth" is a bit of a clue. He is obviously hunting around for someone to do it, and the closest he thinks he can get to it is via the trans movement, and seemingly those surgeons won't even do it.

Darwinism. If these men are stupid enough to do it, at least they're taking themselves out of the reproduction chain. It is messed up, but so far they are not claiming to be women (or non-binary) etc.

Did you miss the link above? An American clinic offering a range of non-binary surgeries. Options include nullification, keep penis+fake vag, keep vag+fake penis, amputate penis+fake vulva. As Art Surgical explains, "Nullification offers a way to align their physical body with an identity that exists outside traditional gender binary categories."

In other words, it's happening and it's not just a bizarre gay BDSM thing, nor a surgery confined to men. Nor even necessarily a grotesque kink, but purely the result of extreme mental illness.
https://www.artsurgical.net/non-binary-surgery

Non-Binary Surgery | ART Surgical | San Francisco

Explore non-binary surgery at ART Surgical in San Francisco and nationwide, with personalized gender-affirming procedures tailored to each patient.

https://www.artsurgical.net/non-binary-surgery

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AimsAndObjectives · 12/09/2026 16:10

MrPrettyDamnCosmic · 12/09/2026 15:01

Wonder if it makes them prone to UTIs??

One reason why men rarely have UTIs is that the urethra is longer. If you cut off your penis your urethra will be shortened by several inches.

Which, combined with the common enlargement of the prostate in older men, could mean that UTIs increase from both ends of the urethra.

AimsAndObjectives · 12/09/2026 15:57

FairAmberEagle · 12/09/2026 15:11

Protect the dolls.

Poor old 'bricks'. Not very inclusive, are you?

Maaate · 12/09/2026 15:35

FairAmberEagle · 12/09/2026 15:11

Protect the dolls.

What do they need protecting from?

FairAmberEagle · 12/09/2026 15:11

Protect the dolls.

BabblingBiddy · 12/09/2026 15:05

faithfultoGeorgeMichael · 11/09/2026 20:48

I watched a crazy Netflix show about imaginary friends becoming real and the 'bad guy' had this done. And now it is real. Wow.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy!_(TV_series)

That was exactly what I thought of!

MrPrettyDamnCosmic · 12/09/2026 15:01

PrancingPanda · 12/09/2026 14:19

TPA patronising and insulting posters at the same time!

Nullification sounds very extreme though. And odd. Wonder if it makes them prone to UTIs??

Wonder if it makes them prone to UTIs??

One reason why men rarely have UTIs is that the urethra is longer. If you cut off your penis your urethra will be shortened by several inches.

PrancingPanda · 12/09/2026 14:19

TPA patronising and insulting posters at the same time!

Nullification sounds very extreme though. And odd. Wonder if it makes them prone to UTIs??

EssexLounger · 12/09/2026 14:10

A lot of the abortion debate is around this idea of men wanting control of women's bodies. This sounds a lot like the other way around.

When I read about this particular eunuch maker case in the papers before it was some bizarre subset of a gay BDSM subset.

None of them have ever claimed to be non-binary or female, but we keep imagining that they are and being outraged over something that isn't happening.

Even the reddit user name of "gay sloth" is a bit of a clue. He is obviously hunting around for someone to do it, and the closest he thinks he can get to it is via the trans movement, and seemingly those surgeons won't even do it.

Darwinism. If these men are stupid enough to do it, at least they're taking themselves out of the reproduction chain. It is messed up, but so far they are not claiming to be women (or non-binary) etc.

ElenOfTheWays · 12/09/2026 13:51

EssexLounger · 12/09/2026 13:30

But again this particular dark subset of BDSM is men (usually gay) removing their own body parts and still calling themselves men. They aren't calling themselves women and aren't demanding access to women's spaces. Most of the men aren't even having relationships with women. I just don't see where women come into this.

Then why did this particular man post for advice on a trans forum? Presumably he's going for non binary here? Many non binary men want to use the women's, as the default human is "man" and anyone else is just a "non man" which makes women and non binary the same thing in their eyes.

AstonCanKissMyArse · 12/09/2026 13:50

EssexLounger · 12/09/2026 13:30

But again this particular dark subset of BDSM is men (usually gay) removing their own body parts and still calling themselves men. They aren't calling themselves women and aren't demanding access to women's spaces. Most of the men aren't even having relationships with women. I just don't see where women come into this.

These men are all over places like Reddit, encouraging young people of both sexes to get surgery. They don't stay in a nice little enclave - they're out there in society encouraging others.

Plenty of young women are seeking mastectomies because they are 'non binary' - seems pretty similar to the men having nullification surgery.

I explained several points why there is an intersection between women's rights and this type of surgery.

What's your point? If you can't see a link then we shouldn't be able to discuss it? I wasnt aware we needed your permission.

EssexLounger · 12/09/2026 13:30

AstonCanKissMyArse · 12/09/2026 12:11

In a number of ways.

Because men who have surgery to remove their penis often believe it makes them into a woman, thus earning their eligibility for women's rights, spaces and sports.

I realise nullification surgery is a particular subgroup of surgery, but men and society often view people as 'men' and 'non men' - diluting 'women' into 'everyone that the men don't want in their category'. This in turn impacts on women's specific needs as a group and even our ability to describe ourselves.

Many women are also concerned about the safeguarding aspect of these surgeries being pushed on very young patients. I know they're illegal for under 18s in the UK but I still consider 18 to be very young, when you consider we're talking about permanent sterilisation.

If you don't consider yourself trans, you'd be a lucky woman to be allowed to be sterilised before your mid 30s 'just in case you change your mind'. But utter the T word and all caution appears to go out the window. Non trans identidying women aren't generally considered competent to make that decision for themselves.

I'm sure there are more...

But again this particular dark subset of BDSM is men (usually gay) removing their own body parts and still calling themselves men. They aren't calling themselves women and aren't demanding access to women's spaces. Most of the men aren't even having relationships with women. I just don't see where women come into this.

MrPrettyDamnCosmic · 12/09/2026 13:25

GrumpyPanda · 12/09/2026 12:17

There's one fairly public case on German GC Twitter. Essentially the individual ended up moving from one Twitter bubble to another and for a time at least, dating a very well-known elderly TW activist.

There's one fairly public case on German GC Twitter.

So nobody in the Anglosphere?

GrumpyPanda · 12/09/2026 12:17

MrPrettyDamnCosmic · 12/09/2026 10:24

I educated myself from trans ally to full on TERF.

Has anyone ever changed from TERF to trans ally?

There's one fairly public case on German GC Twitter. Essentially the individual ended up moving from one Twitter bubble to another and for a time at least, dating a very well-known elderly TW activist.