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My work insisting I refer to a 9 year old as they/them

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TheMadGardener · 11/09/2026 00:55

I work in a British primary school. Just started new term. Long standing pupil, a girl, is starting Year 5 now so she is 9 years old. No issues until now although parents are quite "alternative/new age."

Headteacher has informed staff that according to the child and her parents this girl has decided to be non-binary. Staff are now to refer to her as they/them and she is now using a gender-neutral shortened version of her name (think Alex instead of Alexandra or Jo instead of Joanna).

I am extremely uncomfortable with this and will definitely not be using they/them - I will be referring to the child by her chosen abbreviation to avoid using pronouns (at least it's a shortening of her real name rather than a made-up name).

Serious question: I thought new legislation discouraged schools from getting on board with this sort of thing? Or is it only they can't let children do it without parents knowing?

I'm finding it very hard to keep my mouth shut on my actual opinions in the presence of headteacher. (Colleagues I've spoken to on the quiet all think it is bullshit too)

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TheKeatingFive · 11/09/2026 09:17

GoldenSandy · 11/09/2026 09:13

It's okay if the kids find it challenging. But we are talking about an adult who is deliberately refusing to comply with what a child is asking for.

Maybe it is a phase, maybe it is because they don't feel girly and what is female is too narrow, who knows? But resisting it is going to make it so much harder for this child.

I went to school with a boy who insisted on being called a colour. From Reception up to year 6 every single child and teacher called him by this colour. Nobody batted an eyelid. The kids certainly didn't care. As an adult it seems absolutely wild but we were not bothered as kids.

But why should there be an expectation that the adult ‘comply’ without considering the wider implications of this compliance?

GoldenSandy · 11/09/2026 09:16

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How can you say it's a delusion?
What proof do you have?
Throughout history there have been countless examples of people who are non-binary

TheKeatingFive · 11/09/2026 09:16

Sereine · 11/09/2026 09:07

Surely there's a middle course, where you don't teach anything about non-binary but just agree to be kind to the child in question.

Being kind is not about delivering every demand that is made without thinking about the consequences.

If this child is being referred to as ‘they’, the other children will want to know why

GoldenSandy · 11/09/2026 09:13

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 11/09/2026 09:01

Like others I would go back to the SLT for guidance on how this works with the new provisions in KCSIE.

The other area I would request clarification is whether this requirement applies all the children in the class and if so what impact assessment was done on the potential impact on ND children and children who are not native English speakers who may find the situation confusing or more challenging to comply with. There certainly should be no sanctions against a child for not complying after all an older child might even have the protected belief that sex is immutable.

It's okay if the kids find it challenging. But we are talking about an adult who is deliberately refusing to comply with what a child is asking for.

Maybe it is a phase, maybe it is because they don't feel girly and what is female is too narrow, who knows? But resisting it is going to make it so much harder for this child.

I went to school with a boy who insisted on being called a colour. From Reception up to year 6 every single child and teacher called him by this colour. Nobody batted an eyelid. The kids certainly didn't care. As an adult it seems absolutely wild but we were not bothered as kids.

TeenToTwenties · 11/09/2026 09:11

Sereine · 11/09/2026 09:07

Surely there's a middle course, where you don't teach anything about non-binary but just agree to be kind to the child in question.

But what happens when others in the class ask why Alex is a 'they'?
Are the other children going to be asked (or told) to comply?

It seems like a simple request but it opens a can of worms.

Sereine · 11/09/2026 09:07

hastenotwaste · 11/09/2026 09:06

I would rather risk hurting one child’s feelings than teach the whole class that non-binary is scientific fact and that the only way they can feel safe in this world is to get everyone around them to pander to their whims. Both concepts are dangerous ones to introduce to children imo.

Surely there's a middle course, where you don't teach anything about non-binary but just agree to be kind to the child in question.

hastenotwaste · 11/09/2026 09:07

GoldenSandy · 11/09/2026 09:05

Why? This is so unnecessarily cruel. It would be like asking your kids to deliberately use the wrong name. Imagine if a parent in their class told their child to call your child a random name and your kid really didn't like it. Would you be happy with that?

Have you read the thread? It has been explained many times why this is not a simple name change.

ITMA2000 · 11/09/2026 09:06

Shessweetbutapsycho · 11/09/2026 09:02

I think you’ll find most kids don’t find this confusing and will happily accept pronouns. It’s adults such as yourself who are struggling. As a pp had said, by all means go out of your way to make a point of referring to the child as she instead of they if this makes you happy (or you’re too confused…), but just know it’s at the expense of a child’s feelings.

Children will accept anything, that is the problem. That is why they need guidance and is the very reason we have schools. Should we provide two chairs at each desk so "they" can sit down?

hastenotwaste · 11/09/2026 09:06

Shessweetbutapsycho · 11/09/2026 09:02

I think you’ll find most kids don’t find this confusing and will happily accept pronouns. It’s adults such as yourself who are struggling. As a pp had said, by all means go out of your way to make a point of referring to the child as she instead of they if this makes you happy (or you’re too confused…), but just know it’s at the expense of a child’s feelings.

I would rather risk hurting one child’s feelings than teach the whole class that non-binary is scientific fact and that the only way they can feel safe in this world is to get everyone around them to pander to their whims. Both concepts are dangerous ones to introduce to children imo.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 11/09/2026 09:05

FoxAndSquirrel · 11/09/2026 08:56

Does it really affect your life so much to just try?
My eldest is non-binary, a recent announcement and I don’t always say the right thing but I acknowledge and correct myself (or stand corrected!!)
They don’t feel feminine or like a she
They dont feel masculine or like a he
They are just being THEMselves

So like every human on the planet then

GoldenSandy · 11/09/2026 09:05

Gengha · 11/09/2026 07:20

My children would be told by me to keep using she. I don’t encourage my children to be dishonest.

Why? This is so unnecessarily cruel. It would be like asking your kids to deliberately use the wrong name. Imagine if a parent in their class told their child to call your child a random name and your kid really didn't like it. Would you be happy with that?

CanYouComeUp · 11/09/2026 09:04

ChapmanFarm · 11/09/2026 08:06

It's so sad that this sends out the message to the rest of the girls that if you have more masculine traits e.g you excel at sports, like trains and engineering, don't like dolls then that is beyond what a girl can be. And you have to be something else because 'girl' isn't enough.

I understand non binary even less than trans. I did (and still do) not fit the stereotype (should such a thing exist) of a woman and this would most definitely have confused me as a nine year old.

Why is it progressive to say girl or woman is such a narrow box that if you are a bit different you must be something else.

It's at total odds with trying to show our girls that they too can be electricians, scientists, mountaineers but is somehow deemed the kind option.

I agree with previous poster that the impact on other girls has importance too.

I'd use the name and only the name.

Really agree with this @ChapmanFarm

BadBadCat · 11/09/2026 09:04

The child will likely grow out of this phase, she is probably gay. Just use their name if you feel awkward saying they/them. 'It' is gender neutral.

AlwaysExtraHot · 11/09/2026 09:04

SevenYellowHammers · 11/09/2026 08:20

My understanding is that KCSIE now says changes can’t be made by teachers but senior management can and can direct staff accordingly. It isn’t easy but I think you have to follow the directions of your bosses. “They” as a singular pronoun isn’t new: “someone has left their coat in the classroom, they are going to be cold when they go outside”. I can see your concern but bringing up children ultra genderised is very limiting as well. Hopefully this child will make their own mind up eventually. I find it all hard work to remember not to say “Right ladies and gentlemen, let’s get packed up…” etc..

“They” as a singular pronoun isn’t new: “someone has left their coat in the classroom, they are going to be cold when they go outside”.
Why do people continue not to get this? Or are they just pretending not to?
'they' is for when you don't know which individual you're talking about (as in this example) and so don't know their sex.

ITMA2000 · 11/09/2026 09:03

TinyRebel · 11/09/2026 01:14

‘Non binary’ is not a legally recognised category, so just continue to use sex specific pronouns. I do this at work (NHS), quite matter of factly. It’s quite amusing, when I’m saying ‘she’ and colleagues who go along with this say ‘they’. It has been mentioned but I just breezily reply “I’m afraid it’s not a belief system I subscribe to and I can’t do it.”

Obviously this has no bearing on the person involved’s treatment and care and my professional behaviour.

However, I don’t have a ‘career’ type job and my family doesn’t rely on my income, so appreciate am in a fortunate position.

I used to get terribly confused about "they". Are we talking about a son, a daughter, or twins? If twins, what sex are they each? How do you fill out referral forms?- are they trying to refer one person or two? Crazy!

PorridgeEater · 11/09/2026 09:02

"I am extremely uncomfortable with this and will definitely not be using they/them - I will be referring to the child by her chosen abbreviation to avoid using pronouns (at least it's a shortening of her real name rather than a made-up name)."

This seems the most sensible approach - as others have said it seems so unnatural referring to someone as "they" when you know it's only one person. Surely you can't ignore correct grammar altogether. If anything it's singling the child out / emphasising that they are "different" having to refer to them in this way.
Seems over the top to suggest that what you are doing is abuse of the child!
Sympathies OP - not an easy situation.

Shessweetbutapsycho · 11/09/2026 09:02

IwantToRetire · 11/09/2026 02:12

I would ask whoever has told you this have they checked with the law, legal guidelines.

As pointed out by a PP this is not a legally recognised category.

It not only impacts you but other children who are being confused by the one individual.

Just ask them if they have checked the legality of doing this.

And add what are you supposed to say to the other children, or indeed their parents when they ask what is going on, as they may not want their child caught up in this make believe.

It certainly shouldn't be done behind closed doors.

If this is their policy they should make a public statement about it to the school, teachers and pupils and to the families of the pupils at the school.

it sounds very underhand and unethical.

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I think you’ll find most kids don’t find this confusing and will happily accept pronouns. It’s adults such as yourself who are struggling. As a pp had said, by all means go out of your way to make a point of referring to the child as she instead of they if this makes you happy (or you’re too confused…), but just know it’s at the expense of a child’s feelings.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 11/09/2026 09:02

Lots of excellent comments upthread about how this is emotional abuse of a 9 year old far too young to navigate these complex adult beliefs.

OP - try to raise the issues as general issues rather than focus on the child - it's tricky but otherwise you can be accused of failing to follow management instructions. This child has enough problems without being at the centre of arguments between adults.

I'm linking a piece by a clinical psychologist about the psychological damage that happens to a child when the adults around them lie about who they really are. It's written about primary children who're told they're really the opposite sex but most of it would apply to a child with adults who pretend a child is neither a boy or girl. Telling lies to young children about something so profound as what sex they are is unforgivable.

https://www.transgendertrend.com/childhood-social-transition/

A childhood is not reversible - Transgender Trend

Childhood social transition is seen as 'kind.' A clinical psychologist explains what we set a child up for when we socially transition them.

https://www.transgendertrend.com/childhood-social-transition/

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 11/09/2026 09:01

Like others I would go back to the SLT for guidance on how this works with the new provisions in KCSIE.

The other area I would request clarification is whether this requirement applies all the children in the class and if so what impact assessment was done on the potential impact on ND children and children who are not native English speakers who may find the situation confusing or more challenging to comply with. There certainly should be no sanctions against a child for not complying after all an older child might even have the protected belief that sex is immutable.

Naunet · 11/09/2026 09:00

OneLilacHedgehog · 11/09/2026 08:28

No one is being hurt in this scenario except a child. No one is asking OP to state this child is non binary.

I can't believe what adults will justify when it comes to how they treat a child.

I can't believe what adults will justify when it comes to how they treat a child

I agree, but that would be the idiotic parents who lied to their child and told them they could be neither male or female, and then demand the rest of the world play along with their ridiculous lie, setting the child up to be ostracised.

BonfireLady · 11/09/2026 08:59

dh280125 · 11/09/2026 07:49

In what way is being non binary a life changing decision that will seriously impact them forever? I’m not sure you know what it is if you think that.

It has introduced the child to the idea (which will be understood as a fact) that they do not have a sex. That a female non-binary child is not actually a girl or a male non-binary child is not actually a boy.

When the child starts to go through puberty this could very well be distressing, especially if they don't feel they have yet had time to "choose" whether they want to be a boy or a girl or have already "realised" that they are in fact the opposite sex.

It will all be very wishy-washy because sex will have been replaced with gender. The child will have already been introduced to the quantum-esque baffling concept that sex and gender identity are not the same thing whilst also that they are the same thing when it comes to aligning your body with your gender if this differs from your "sex assigned at birth". It's a complete word salad. It's confusing enough for adults but children will interpret it very simply: I am non-binary and when I'm ready, I can choose what sex I want to be then take whatever steps I want to make my body match that sex. Or I can stay non-binary forever and chop off any body parts that don't match this when I'm older if I want.

In other words, starting a child on a journey of social transition away from their biological sex is an affirmation pathway that is highly likely to become locked in to the child's understanding of themselves if they never understand that biological sex is real and unchangeable.

Alethea2025 · 11/09/2026 08:59

TinyRebel · 11/09/2026 01:14

‘Non binary’ is not a legally recognised category, so just continue to use sex specific pronouns. I do this at work (NHS), quite matter of factly. It’s quite amusing, when I’m saying ‘she’ and colleagues who go along with this say ‘they’. It has been mentioned but I just breezily reply “I’m afraid it’s not a belief system I subscribe to and I can’t do it.”

Obviously this has no bearing on the person involved’s treatment and care and my professional behaviour.

However, I don’t have a ‘career’ type job and my family doesn’t rely on my income, so appreciate am in a fortunate position.

I assume this is because you are not patient-facing? I do work directly with patients and so do my best to use their preferred pronouns - not because I believe in the ideology but because it makes me less likely to get it wrong in front of them and I think that would negatively impact their experience and our rapport.

WifeOfTiresias · 11/09/2026 08:58

Calpolinator · 11/09/2026 02:22

The irony of how naturally you've used they and their here 😂 not that hard is it!

The poster used they/ their to refer to a plural object, which is correct, long recognised use of those pronouns. Using those pronouns to refer to an individual who believes (incorrectly) that they cannot be categorised as either male or female is incorrect.

Forcing staff and pupils to use incorrect language causes cognitive dissonance, and being required to accept gender ideology as fact is confusing and distressing for these primary aged pupils.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 11/09/2026 08:57

The parents seem to want to convert their daughter into a no body, that's what should be banned.
'Trans' is the conversation therapy or in this case QT batshittery, gender loons should be banned.

FoxAndSquirrel · 11/09/2026 08:56

TheMadGardener · 11/09/2026 00:55

I work in a British primary school. Just started new term. Long standing pupil, a girl, is starting Year 5 now so she is 9 years old. No issues until now although parents are quite "alternative/new age."

Headteacher has informed staff that according to the child and her parents this girl has decided to be non-binary. Staff are now to refer to her as they/them and she is now using a gender-neutral shortened version of her name (think Alex instead of Alexandra or Jo instead of Joanna).

I am extremely uncomfortable with this and will definitely not be using they/them - I will be referring to the child by her chosen abbreviation to avoid using pronouns (at least it's a shortening of her real name rather than a made-up name).

Serious question: I thought new legislation discouraged schools from getting on board with this sort of thing? Or is it only they can't let children do it without parents knowing?

I'm finding it very hard to keep my mouth shut on my actual opinions in the presence of headteacher. (Colleagues I've spoken to on the quiet all think it is bullshit too)

Does it really affect your life so much to just try?
My eldest is non-binary, a recent announcement and I don’t always say the right thing but I acknowledge and correct myself (or stand corrected!!)
They don’t feel feminine or like a she
They dont feel masculine or like a he
They are just being THEMselves

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