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Use the changing room you feel comfortable in

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TheRozzers · 10/09/2026 22:26

DD has just started Secondary school. On PE days the children are told to wear their PE kit to school so they don’t have to get changed.

DD had PE today. There are boys ans girls changing rooms and the teacher told them all to use the changing room they feel comfortable with.

As the girls were already in their PE kits there was no actual changing in the changing room, it was just where they gathered before the class and left their bags.

This probably isn’t a hill to die on but it irritates me that girls have to be in their PE kits all day and can’t have their own private space in order to accommodate boys who may want to access the girls changing rooms.

Should I take up with the school or leave it?

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TeenToTwenties · 11/09/2026 14:33

Start with a mild email to the school 'DD said this .... this can't be right can it?'and see the response.
Could mention the new guidance but maybe as part of follow up.

iwishitwouldstartraining · 11/09/2026 14:31

Coatsoff42 · 11/09/2026 10:17

@BridasShieldWall I was genuinely wanting to know where the ‘comfortable’ allowances are made, and where are they ignored. The use of the word comfortable has really annoyed me, when complaining about these things generally results in women/girls being called names and penalised and ostracised, which is not ‘comfortable’ at all.

Exactly.

'Ignore the signs, the changing rooms are mixed sex' would at least make sense, but 'use the changing room you feel comfortable in' is just confused.

iwishitwouldstartraining · 11/09/2026 14:29

TheRozzers · 10/09/2026 22:26

DD has just started Secondary school. On PE days the children are told to wear their PE kit to school so they don’t have to get changed.

DD had PE today. There are boys ans girls changing rooms and the teacher told them all to use the changing room they feel comfortable with.

As the girls were already in their PE kits there was no actual changing in the changing room, it was just where they gathered before the class and left their bags.

This probably isn’t a hill to die on but it irritates me that girls have to be in their PE kits all day and can’t have their own private space in order to accommodate boys who may want to access the girls changing rooms.

Should I take up with the school or leave it?

In practice, it sounds as though they just don't expect anyone to use the changing rooms as changing rooms.

Tryingtobenormal124 · 11/09/2026 11:02

Whaaaatszuuup · 11/09/2026 10:31

This thread isn’t about that though. Start a thread about boys if you want to talk about boys changing rooms.

What if Hitler wanted to get changed isn’t relevant either.

No this tread is about kids in changing rooms. Its all trans related! And get to f**k with your Hitler reference!

Fasttrack2026 · 11/09/2026 10:39

FriedGold32 · 10/09/2026 22:40

When I was a 15 year boy and the oft discussed question of what superpower you would want came up, being invisible so you could spy on the girl's changing room was a regular answer.

Now it's school policy.

Ouch, that needs to be a TV advert in Australia... nicely put!

LlynTegid · 11/09/2026 10:37

Yes contact the school.

I think the PE kit all day policy comes from a lack of time to change, and that some children are uncomfortable changing in front of anyone.

FlatCatYellowMat · 11/09/2026 10:34

TheRozzers · 11/09/2026 08:13

Thanks for the advice. Clarified a few things with DD. All the year groups up to year 11 are expected to wear PE kits all day on PE days. So yes that means sitting in a sweaty PE kit all day if PE is in the morning.

Changing time before / after PE would be when girls have the opportunity to change into or out of a sports bra but there may be a biological male in the same changing room.

The school has decent single sex facilities. Girls and boys changing rooms. This seems like a crazy policy that inconveniences pretty much all the students and I can’t think of any other reason it exists apart from to validate trans pupils. Could there be another reason?

Jeez. My kids do sport last thing, and when they get in the car to pick them up (well, the 15 year old, the 12 year old doesn't smell yet) it's RIPE. I can't imagine how awful it would be stuck in a classroom with 30 teens fresh from PE all day!

Whaaaatszuuup · 11/09/2026 10:31

Tryingtobenormal124 · 11/09/2026 10:23

What happens if a girl who identifies as a boy, wants to use the boys changing room. Is that ok. Howd you feel about your son sharing. Is that different.

This thread isn’t about that though. Start a thread about boys if you want to talk about boys changing rooms.

What if Hitler wanted to get changed isn’t relevant either.

Tryingtobenormal124 · 11/09/2026 10:23

What happens if a girl who identifies as a boy, wants to use the boys changing room. Is that ok. Howd you feel about your son sharing. Is that different.

Awkwardisfunny · 11/09/2026 10:18

ErrolTheDragon · 10/09/2026 22:34

It may not be an issue in yr 7, but many older girls ought to be wearing proper sports bras for PE - they shouldn’t be expected to wear them all day FFS.

And IME the changing room teenage girls will ‘feel comfortable’ changing their bras in is one without teenage males in it.

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Exactly. It's not about what one person feels comfortable with.

Coatsoff42 · 11/09/2026 10:17

@BridasShieldWall I was genuinely wanting to know where the ‘comfortable’ allowances are made, and where are they ignored. The use of the word comfortable has really annoyed me, when complaining about these things generally results in women/girls being called names and penalised and ostracised, which is not ‘comfortable’ at all.

Icedvanillacoffee · 11/09/2026 10:11

This school is breaking the law clearly. Flag it up to the headteacher immediately. If they try to tell you its ok take it further. I realise some local authorities are now run by people who are also keen to endanger girls and women, anywhere run by the Greens for example.
Sharron Davis who is a member of the House of Lords runs a sports pressure group on this issue , she is very active on twitter as well as having a House of Lords email account it may be worth contacting her if the school keep on with their insane and unlawful practices.
And as a retired pastoral leader from a secondary school there is no reason to have mixed changing rooms at all ever under any circumstances.

Coatsoff42 · 11/09/2026 10:11

TheRozzers · 11/09/2026 09:41

Erm my daughter is a girl and therefore comfortable to use the girls changing rooms with other girls.

If the boys and girls changing rooms were split according to biological sex (as they have been for many years) there would be no issue.

The issue is the teacher encouraging both boys and girls to use the girls changing room which makes it mixed sex.

Yes, what I mean is, which changing room is just for girls? If a boy is more comfortable in the girls changing room, it is then not comfortable for your daughter, and any other girls who want privacy, so in that situation ask the school which room she should use, as both might have boys in according to her laissez faire PE teacher and neither is comfortable. Apparently only the comfort of some is considered.

sorry if that wasn’t clear.

BridasShieldWall · 11/09/2026 10:01

Imdunfer · 11/09/2026 09:27

Are you having a laugh?

I think Coatsoff42 is being sarcastic. It seems as though no one cares about girls comfort.

i would love to know how this fits in with the school’s teaching on consent in PHSCE. It seems as though observing consent is conditional on accepting someone’s identity as ‘valid’.

tripleginandtonic · 11/09/2026 09:48

TediousTim · 10/09/2026 22:41

Did they mean, because everyone is already in kit there's no need to separate, just put your bags wherever?
Every school should be aware of the changing room situation.

Thats how I'd take it. Its just a room because no changing was going to happen.

TheRozzers · 11/09/2026 09:41

Coatsoff42 · 11/09/2026 09:16

Can you clarify which changing room your DD should use if she is not comfortable changing in front of boys? Which changing room is the comfortable one for her?

Erm my daughter is a girl and therefore comfortable to use the girls changing rooms with other girls.

If the boys and girls changing rooms were split according to biological sex (as they have been for many years) there would be no issue.

The issue is the teacher encouraging both boys and girls to use the girls changing room which makes it mixed sex.

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AimsAndObjectives · 11/09/2026 09:38

TheRozzers · 11/09/2026 08:13

Thanks for the advice. Clarified a few things with DD. All the year groups up to year 11 are expected to wear PE kits all day on PE days. So yes that means sitting in a sweaty PE kit all day if PE is in the morning.

Changing time before / after PE would be when girls have the opportunity to change into or out of a sports bra but there may be a biological male in the same changing room.

The school has decent single sex facilities. Girls and boys changing rooms. This seems like a crazy policy that inconveniences pretty much all the students and I can’t think of any other reason it exists apart from to validate trans pupils. Could there be another reason?

The best way to find out if there is another reason is to ask the school. Just write a (polite, obvs) letter/email asking why the pupils are not being allowed to change into and out of PE kit. Ask to see any written policies on this.

Parents are often concerned that they will 'get a reputation' if they ask questions, which will negatively affect how staff interact with their child. This is an unfounded fear. Schools respect parents who show an interest in the school's relationship with their child. On the odd occasion where a parent is persistently and unreasonably unpleasant and demanding it simply elicits sympathy for the child from the staff.

Imdunfer · 11/09/2026 09:27

Coatsoff42 · 11/09/2026 09:16

Can you clarify which changing room your DD should use if she is not comfortable changing in front of boys? Which changing room is the comfortable one for her?

Are you having a laugh?

Coatsoff42 · 11/09/2026 09:16

Can you clarify which changing room your DD should use if she is not comfortable changing in front of boys? Which changing room is the comfortable one for her?

Imdunfer · 11/09/2026 09:07

TheRozzers · 11/09/2026 08:13

Thanks for the advice. Clarified a few things with DD. All the year groups up to year 11 are expected to wear PE kits all day on PE days. So yes that means sitting in a sweaty PE kit all day if PE is in the morning.

Changing time before / after PE would be when girls have the opportunity to change into or out of a sports bra but there may be a biological male in the same changing room.

The school has decent single sex facilities. Girls and boys changing rooms. This seems like a crazy policy that inconveniences pretty much all the students and I can’t think of any other reason it exists apart from to validate trans pupils. Could there be another reason?

A sweaty 16 year old sitting all day in gym kit?

That's not acceptable purely from a public health point of view.

Sweaty armpits and groins just begging for fungal infections.

I would complain to the school on those grounds , this seems an indefensible policy to me.

Imdunfer · 11/09/2026 08:13

How is a child supposed to sit all day in school in kit they've just played football on a muddy field in?

This policy is utterly ridiculous and can only result in a severe limitation of just what exercise children can actually get in a PE lesson.

TheRozzers · 11/09/2026 08:13

Thanks for the advice. Clarified a few things with DD. All the year groups up to year 11 are expected to wear PE kits all day on PE days. So yes that means sitting in a sweaty PE kit all day if PE is in the morning.

Changing time before / after PE would be when girls have the opportunity to change into or out of a sports bra but there may be a biological male in the same changing room.

The school has decent single sex facilities. Girls and boys changing rooms. This seems like a crazy policy that inconveniences pretty much all the students and I can’t think of any other reason it exists apart from to validate trans pupils. Could there be another reason?

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AimsAndObjectives · 10/09/2026 22:52

TheRozzers · 10/09/2026 22:34

PE was the last lesson today but it isn’t always. It was a male PE teacher and those were his exact words according to DD.

Seems like a strange way to tell the children to just leave their bags in either changing room. Bit of a red flag imo.
Maybe have a look through all the paperwork/online info that you have access to as a parent, to see what their policies are wrt how PE lessons are managed.

Dovesono · 10/09/2026 22:43

parietal · 10/09/2026 22:30

is PE the last lesson of the day or do they have to spend the day in sweaty clothes after PE?

in general, I think 'wear PE kit all day for PE lessons' is a reasonable principle to save time and fuss on changing (regardless of who uses which changing rooms) but only if kids go home straight after PE to be able to change sweaty clothes.

Presumably the PE teachers don't only work for the last hour of the day.

WeMeetInFairIthilien · 10/09/2026 22:43

This was the Safeguarding training that was today sent to every single member of staff in the 38 schools in my MAT.

KCSIE (Keeping children safe in education) was updated for 1st Sept 2026.

It is a statutory duty. The schools CANNOT do the mixing of sexes any more, in toilets or changing rooms

Use the changing room you feel comfortable in