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Roxy Tickle is a man. I stand with Sall Grover.

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ArabellaScott · 10/09/2026 18:18

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/breaking-news/giggle-for-girls-app-founder-loses-final-appeal-bid-in-landmark-trans-discrimination-case/news-story/7db773b0207192809214c498c8048e9

Sall. ❤

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ArabellaScott · 12/09/2026 08:50

PeachyDaisy · 12/09/2026 08:25

As awful as it sounds we are probably going to need a big case to get people interested. Similar to what happened in Scotland where people became a lot more strongly pro single sex spaces following the Isla Bryon debacle.

Also, Bryson was a tipping point to something that had been gaining momentum for years. I'd written to my political reps previously about men in womens prisons and had supercilious, self righteous and actually aggressive responses back.

When Bryson happened I was able to refer to previous letters to demonstrate, effectively, that what I'd warned about had actually undeniably happened in plain sight.

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ArabellaScott · 12/09/2026 08:46

PeachyDaisy · 12/09/2026 08:25

As awful as it sounds we are probably going to need a big case to get people interested. Similar to what happened in Scotland where people became a lot more strongly pro single sex spaces following the Isla Bryon debacle.

Figureheads help. We have a few amazing and very brave women who have led the charges. But also lots of informal networks. Its amazing how much can be done by small acts like stickers and ribbons and chalking rocks and writing letters and gathering evidence and having conversations.

Timing also helps. Bryson wasnt the first rapist in womens prison. Women had been raising the alarm about others, but Bryson came when the GRR Bill was in parliament so the political timing was right. Gather evidence and be ready to share it at the right time. News stories run on people, not abstract ideas. So you need examples, for all sides, as illustrations of the abstract ideas.

Its also important to draw back and ask meta questions to start with. Why can't women discuss women's rights? Are women entitled to human rights? What is a woman? If you can pose these questions it can jolt people out of the BeKindTwaw stupor and encourage them to use logic and critical thinking.

Also maybe worth getting legal advice sessions set up for what rights you ostensibly have in law and how to assert them.

There already will be Oz cases like Bryson, there's never a lack of abusive men, sadly.

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EasternStandard · 12/09/2026 08:37

PeachyDaisy · 12/09/2026 08:25

As awful as it sounds we are probably going to need a big case to get people interested. Similar to what happened in Scotland where people became a lot more strongly pro single sex spaces following the Isla Bryon debacle.

Yes the photographer of the Isla Bryson pic did us a huge favour. People react to visual stuff much more quickly.

Ik Tickle looks male but the Bryson image worked well.

NotMyRealAccount · 12/09/2026 08:30

Roxy Tickle is a man. Sall is a strong and brave woman.

PeachyDaisy · 12/09/2026 08:25

As awful as it sounds we are probably going to need a big case to get people interested. Similar to what happened in Scotland where people became a lot more strongly pro single sex spaces following the Isla Bryon debacle.

ArabellaScott · 12/09/2026 08:19

Manyanamanyana · 11/09/2026 22:50

Yep, 100%. LNP though are about to put forward another Bill to repeal the SDA changes, so maybe write to/ call your local MP and let them know women are watching who votes in favour. I don't know. Most people don't care enough. Even my DH, who knows very well how I feel, "forgot" to sign a "Save Womens Sports" petition I sent him last week. There has been nothing on the ABC about Sal losing. It's hard to get the word out.

Well, we were in the same position here maybe seven or eight years ago.

Media silence was deafening. You could barely discuss it anywhere.

It changed painfully gradually.

But its a self defeating movement eventually, as the more 'successful' it is the more people see the impacts.

We are all behind you. Flowers

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Manyanamanyana · 12/09/2026 08:15

FairAmberEagle · 11/09/2026 21:01

In fact most of you could do with going back to school and learning all over again and getting up to date with modern times.

It's 2026.

What, it's 2026, women have had rights for long enough, time to get back under appropriate control, is that what you mean? Fetishist men have had to keep themselves hidden for too long, its 2026, and time we let them define the rules? Like that?
There are people who think it's progressive to roll back womens rights.
Those people totally underestimate just how much safer the world is for everyone because of womens voices.
Those people would have any man in children's changing rooms, as long as he said he was a woman.
It is womens voices that call out harm every single time.
Just how much safeguarding have women done in the face of people telling us to shut up? Heaps. So I don't want to hear about "its 2026" from people who don't care about the consequences of their immediate wants and desires. Women have always paid the consequences, and protected the children as best we can. We are not bigots. We are the adults in the room.

ArabellaScott · 12/09/2026 08:07

FairAmberEagle · 11/09/2026 21:15

Who? Every Cis here saying she isn't a woman.

It's so clear, some of you could get into trouble at work if your boss saw these posts. You sure wouldn't get away with this in a staff room. It's bigoted and discriminatory in the extreme.

I'm non binary, mate. Roxy Tickle is an abusive man.

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ArabellaScott · 12/09/2026 08:06

DrBlackbird · 12/09/2026 07:46

Now this …it is reported that the judge in the case said that Roxanne's male features were a "protected characteristic of being a trans woman." definitely reinforces my suspicion that the judges in question are ideologues and want to apply the law to reinforce those ideological beliefs. If judges were not able to do so, why are they political appointees in the US?

His penis is a protected feature? Sounds about right.

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nutmeg7 · 12/09/2026 07:57

FairAmberEagle · 11/09/2026 21:00

The fact so many people are aggressive about this topic just shows how far out of touch you are with your own children and the new way of education.

Ah, sending us for re-education in the “new way”.

Is that because human beings are no longer male and female and are somehow reproducing some other way?

Oh - no, it turns out nothing factual has changed but an ideology has taken hold and we must tell lies to go along with it.

Have you read 1984? You really should.

EasternStandard · 12/09/2026 07:52

Manyanamanyana · 11/09/2026 23:02

Yes they are, big time, and the irony is that the Labour party currently in power has the largest majority of female MPs of any governing party in our history. They are mean- girls, handmaidens, traitors. They smile and say "transwomen are women" condescendingly when challenged. Our PM calls it a "culture war". Our Foreign Affairs minister, who is leader of the Senate, and the first openly lesbian and of Asain heritage to boot parliamentarian has a trans-identified PA, so you have to wonder if any letters or emails get through...

Argh we had that ‘culture war’ nonsense line at the last GE. People bought into it and dismissed stuff that the left claimed fitted a culture war.

I feel for you, it’s so frustrating. Votes don’t really come up for gender stuff but if the ALP can be defeated for other reasons the laws might change.

DrBlackbird · 12/09/2026 07:46

Now this …it is reported that the judge in the case said that Roxanne's male features were a "protected characteristic of being a trans woman." definitely reinforces my suspicion that the judges in question are ideologues and want to apply the law to reinforce those ideological beliefs. If judges were not able to do so, why are they political appointees in the US?

2021x · 11/09/2026 23:50

FairAmberEagle · 11/09/2026 21:15

Who? Every Cis here saying she isn't a woman.

It's so clear, some of you could get into trouble at work if your boss saw these posts. You sure wouldn't get away with this in a staff room. It's bigoted and discriminatory in the extreme.

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...... threatning much.

I would love to discuss with my boss who knows more about being a woman- I wouls make sure my lawyer was present.

2021x · 11/09/2026 23:47

My only hope is that Roxanne "Tess" Tickle is actually a plant and playing the long game. He says things such as, "I wanted to join Giggle so I can get hold of recipes", and after the ruling, said, "I can now have a cup of coffee with my friends and play on my hockey team". That appears to be deliberately provocative speech. He also does not hide in any way, shape, or form that he is a man- doesn't change his voice, etc. Its the same as that guy in Canada with the large breasts I think he was demonstrating the absurdity as well.

What pisses me off is that it is reported that the judge in the case said that Roxanne's male features were a "protected characteristic of being a trans woman." What the actual fuck?

Waitingfordoggo · 11/09/2026 23:42

FairAmberEagle · 11/09/2026 21:15

Who? Every Cis here saying she isn't a woman.

It's so clear, some of you could get into trouble at work if your boss saw these posts. You sure wouldn't get away with this in a staff room. It's bigoted and discriminatory in the extreme.

‘Uhhmmmm, I’m telling of you’

Manyanamanyana · 11/09/2026 23:02

Walkden · 11/09/2026 18:05

"And yet here we are in 1984. Australian woman forced to say a large manly man is a woman just like them."

Well this law was voted for the Australian parliament ( both men and women) and no party would win without women voting for them for it's not like if they are being to say this, other women are partly responsible...

Yes they are, big time, and the irony is that the Labour party currently in power has the largest majority of female MPs of any governing party in our history. They are mean- girls, handmaidens, traitors. They smile and say "transwomen are women" condescendingly when challenged. Our PM calls it a "culture war". Our Foreign Affairs minister, who is leader of the Senate, and the first openly lesbian and of Asain heritage to boot parliamentarian has a trans-identified PA, so you have to wonder if any letters or emails get through...

Manyanamanyana · 11/09/2026 22:50

FeralWoman · 11/09/2026 12:29

I think a lot of people, especially women, are still at the “be kind” stage and feeling sorry for a fictional small weak trans identified man being picked on/assaulted by big strong men. They don’t understand that this court decision applies to everything that has anything to do with dividing up based on sex.

Whether it’s the public toilets at the shops, the local women’s footy team, the changing rooms at Kmart and Target, awards for women and girls, the toilets at their children’s school, and more. All of it can have men and boys in women and girls’ spaces and categories.

I have a pelvic ultrasound booked for next week. It will involve an internal ultrasound wand inserted into my vagina. The receptionist mentioned the name of the person I’m booked in with and that “she’s really lovely”. Part of me wanted to ask if she’s an actual woman or just identifies as one. Can’t do that. That would legally be discrimination even though I should get a choice about who is going to be poking around in my vagina.

Not a chance that the current federal government will correct the SDA and all other options for future federal governments are shit. The LNP are arseholes and terrible for the ordinary citizen, and Pauline and her One Nation party are dangerous incompetent fuckwits.

Yep, 100%. LNP though are about to put forward another Bill to repeal the SDA changes, so maybe write to/ call your local MP and let them know women are watching who votes in favour. I don't know. Most people don't care enough. Even my DH, who knows very well how I feel, "forgot" to sign a "Save Womens Sports" petition I sent him last week. There has been nothing on the ABC about Sal losing. It's hard to get the word out.

PingoDome · 11/09/2026 22:42

I'm not sure "be more childish" is a great piece of advice.

ALovelyPinkUnicorn · 11/09/2026 22:40

FairAmberEagle · 11/09/2026 21:15

Who? Every Cis here saying she isn't a woman.

It's so clear, some of you could get into trouble at work if your boss saw these posts. You sure wouldn't get away with this in a staff room. It's bigoted and discriminatory in the extreme.

Get into trouble for what? Not buying into made up fairy tales?

Llamasarellovely · 11/09/2026 22:37

FairAmberEagle · 11/09/2026 21:15

Who? Every Cis here saying she isn't a woman.

It's so clear, some of you could get into trouble at work if your boss saw these posts. You sure wouldn't get away with this in a staff room. It's bigoted and discriminatory in the extreme.

Oh i see what the issue is! You think this is a biological woman who identifies as a bloke! Easy mistake to make. No, he's actually a hulking great chap pretending to be a woman and fooling no one
Phew, glad I was here to help.

mrshoho · 11/09/2026 22:28

FairAmberEagle · 11/09/2026 21:21

We are seeing now that it's only the cis parents that are making children conform to stereotypes. Their are actually many children who are trans who fake being the wrong sex because of parents forcing them. Thankfully good teaching is proving its working to let them be whoever they want to be with the latest teacher training.

I'm in England and was pleased to see the changes being brought in wef September 2026 following the KCSIE updated statutory guidance surrounding both single sex spaces and gender questioning children. Our annual safeguarding training covered the subject giving clarity to the school's obligation to provide single sex spaces and to seek parental involvement where children are questioning their gender. The days of immediately affirming and going against parents wishes are over.

AimsAndObjectives · 11/09/2026 22:09

FairAmberEagle · 11/09/2026 21:01

In fact most of you could do with going back to school and learning all over again and getting up to date with modern times.

It's 2026.

wtf are you on about?

Rollingpinofdoom · 11/09/2026 21:52

FairAmberEagle · 11/09/2026 21:15

Who? Every Cis here saying she isn't a woman.

It's so clear, some of you could get into trouble at work if your boss saw these posts. You sure wouldn't get away with this in a staff room. It's bigoted and discriminatory in the extreme.

What’s a “Cis”? Are you referring to the Construction Industry Scheme? You do know it’s not a person so can’t be a woman right? Or in your weird way are you trying to imply Mr Tickle is a woman?

Rollingpinofdoom · 11/09/2026 21:50

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 11/09/2026 21:29

Who is this ‘she’?

The cats mother 😂

Rollingpinofdoom · 11/09/2026 21:49

FairAmberEagle · 11/09/2026 21:15

Who? Every Cis here saying she isn't a woman.

It's so clear, some of you could get into trouble at work if your boss saw these posts. You sure wouldn't get away with this in a staff room. It's bigoted and discriminatory in the extreme.

Hahahahahaha. My boss is a bigger TERF than I am. Do your worst 😂😂😂😂😂.

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