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Roxy Tickle is a man. I stand with Sall Grover.

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ArabellaScott · 10/09/2026 18:18

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/breaking-news/giggle-for-girls-app-founder-loses-final-appeal-bid-in-landmark-trans-discrimination-case/news-story/7db773b0207192809214c498c8048e9

Sall. ❤

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Soontobe60 · 12/09/2026 14:50

ArabellaScott · 10/09/2026 21:27

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/aug/05/transgender-woman-roxanne-tickle-treated-as-hostile-invader-when-joining-women-only-app-giggle-for-girls-court-hears-ntwnfb

'The court heard Tickle, who is from regional New South Wales, presented as a woman in an onboarding selfie she uploaded to the app, including by wearing a low-cut top and with her hair down.'

Women are not low cut tops, you fucks.

My DH is wearing a low cut top and his hair, which is long, is down today. Bloody hell, he’s turned into a woman!!!

JellySaurus · 12/09/2026 14:48

Yup. Nobody can give that craven “Oh dear, nobody thought of it” excuse here.

EasternStandard · 12/09/2026 14:37

JellySaurus · 12/09/2026 13:30

What a load of fat, swinging bollocks. It never occurred to anyone that there were pragmatic reasons for single sex services and facilities? Why on earth what they exist in the first place, then?

Had they no imaginations?

Had they not explored what was happening in other countries? Has they not heard the objections put forward in the UK House of Lords? Most of these conflicts of rights and removals of women’s rights were predicted.

Tbf people ignored the same here hence we got the GRA.

It’s so lucky the SC ruled as they did thanks to FWS.

Although I do agree whoops we got it wrong is pathetic. How will it be fixed?

Ractify · 12/09/2026 13:55

Australians face being taken to the Human Rights Commission/Anti Discrimination Commission for not submitting to GI. Dragged through the courts and disciplined, threatened with jail and huge fines for saying the truth - that no man can be a woman, no woman can be a man, there are 2 sexes only, and no one can change their biological sex observed at birth.

Sall is a legend, and someone I fiercely admire - she has done the most that can be done in our current political and irrational society. I only hope that her courage calls to all of us in Australia, and encourages us to show the same and fight for our basic freedoms and rights.

thank you, Sall.

JellySaurus · 12/09/2026 13:30

AimsAndObjectives · 12/09/2026 10:50

Don't forget that even Julia Gillard has done some backtracking. I think that is one of the chinks in the armour of this stupidity:

Former Prime Minister Julia Gillard says it was 'a different time' when the gender-based changes were made to the Sex Discrimination Act (2013).
This removed the strict biological definition of a man and woman in law.
"If you look at the Parliamentary debates in the changes to the Sex Discrimination Act in 2012, you'll find that the issues you're referring to were not raised by anyone, because they simply weren't a matter of public discourse the way they are today.
"So, it was a different time. It wasn't something squarely before the Parliament at the time that the legislation was being amended.
"So, I think we made an error in uplifting what we know now and public discourse now - and just putting it down 14 years ago."

https://www.facebook.com/SpectatorOz/posts/former-prime-minister-julia-gillard-says-it-was-a-different-time-when-the-gender/1707659814697931/

What a load of fat, swinging bollocks. It never occurred to anyone that there were pragmatic reasons for single sex services and facilities? Why on earth what they exist in the first place, then?

Had they no imaginations?

Had they not explored what was happening in other countries? Has they not heard the objections put forward in the UK House of Lords? Most of these conflicts of rights and removals of women’s rights were predicted.

SwirlyGates · 12/09/2026 13:17

AimsAndObjectives · 12/09/2026 10:50

Don't forget that even Julia Gillard has done some backtracking. I think that is one of the chinks in the armour of this stupidity:

Former Prime Minister Julia Gillard says it was 'a different time' when the gender-based changes were made to the Sex Discrimination Act (2013).
This removed the strict biological definition of a man and woman in law.
"If you look at the Parliamentary debates in the changes to the Sex Discrimination Act in 2012, you'll find that the issues you're referring to were not raised by anyone, because they simply weren't a matter of public discourse the way they are today.
"So, it was a different time. It wasn't something squarely before the Parliament at the time that the legislation was being amended.
"So, I think we made an error in uplifting what we know now and public discourse now - and just putting it down 14 years ago."

https://www.facebook.com/SpectatorOz/posts/former-prime-minister-julia-gillard-says-it-was-a-different-time-when-the-gender/1707659814697931/

"Different time," bollocks to that. Like Scotland - oh, we didn't realise what the GRR bill might actually lead to. Well, they were stupid, blinkered or both - many of us knew exactly what it would lead to, but they refused to listen.

TheThirteenthFairy · 12/09/2026 13:10

Treaclewell · 10/09/2026 22:57

Is it possible for Sal to take a leaf from pirate radio days and set up on a sovereign island state nearby? Not sure of the tech necessary. Pitcairn springs to mind as sufficiently stroppy.

Happy to do some gardening!

TheThirteenthFairy · 12/09/2026 13:08

Roxanne Tickle is a man. I stand with Sall Grover.

ArabellaScott · 12/09/2026 10:52

we made an error

Whoopsie? Who's going to fix it?

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AimsAndObjectives · 12/09/2026 10:50

Don't forget that even Julia Gillard has done some backtracking. I think that is one of the chinks in the armour of this stupidity:

Former Prime Minister Julia Gillard says it was 'a different time' when the gender-based changes were made to the Sex Discrimination Act (2013).
This removed the strict biological definition of a man and woman in law.
"If you look at the Parliamentary debates in the changes to the Sex Discrimination Act in 2012, you'll find that the issues you're referring to were not raised by anyone, because they simply weren't a matter of public discourse the way they are today.
"So, it was a different time. It wasn't something squarely before the Parliament at the time that the legislation was being amended.
"So, I think we made an error in uplifting what we know now and public discourse now - and just putting it down 14 years ago."

https://www.facebook.com/SpectatorOz/posts/former-prime-minister-julia-gillard-says-it-was-a-different-time-when-the-gender/1707659814697931/

The Spectator Australia

Former Prime Minister Julia Gillard says it was 'a different time' when the gender-based changes were made to the Sex Discrimination Act (2013). This removed the strict biological definition of a...

https://www.facebook.com/SpectatorOz/posts/former-prime-minister-julia-gillard-says-it-was-a-different-time-when-the-gender/1707659814697931

ArabellaScott · 12/09/2026 10:22

It was devastating.

But it was, in my mind, the beginning of the turn.

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 12/09/2026 10:01

TurkishShepherd · 12/09/2026 09:57

I'd actually forgotten how rubbish that felt when the first judge said not WORIADS. The disbelief.

But now here we are with green shoots of reality based optimism sprouting up.

Aus friends take heart. This isn't the end of the fight.

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yeah, it was flabbergasting

like, am I going to be living in a country where I have to lie about being able to tell what sex someone is? it was genuinely scary

TurkishShepherd · 12/09/2026 09:57

ArabellaScott · 12/09/2026 09:21

And the first Forstater ET was the darkness before dawn, which is how I imagine it must feel in Aus at the moment for women with gc views.

I'd actually forgotten how rubbish that felt when the first judge said not WORIADS. The disbelief.

But now here we are with green shoots of reality based optimism sprouting up.

Aus friends take heart. This isn't the end of the fight.

EasternStandard · 12/09/2026 09:22

ArabellaScott · 12/09/2026 09:20

We didn't have Forstater in place before it went through the courts! Prior to that lots argued that gc views were forbidden to even utter. I mean the first judge literally said so. Not Woriads.

Yes Forstater was big, she was brilliant. How can you change things if you can’t say it.

ArabellaScott · 12/09/2026 09:21

And the first Forstater ET was the darkness before dawn, which is how I imagine it must feel in Aus at the moment for women with gc views.

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ArabellaScott · 12/09/2026 09:20

We didn't have Forstater in place before it went through the courts! Prior to that lots argued that gc views were forbidden to even utter. I mean the first judge literally said so. Not Woriads.

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EasternStandard · 12/09/2026 09:13

mrshoho · 12/09/2026 08:50

Although as painful as it was we in the UK already had the legislation in place with the Equality Act to recognise gender critical as a protected belief. The TRAs did a fine job of misinterpreting the law and it took all those cases Allison, Maya etc to challenge the law ending eventually with FWS and the supreme court ruling. Australia has an even greater challenge ahead. Media and campaigners are forced to break the current laws if they speak up. Australia says it is proud of its free speech laws but it is a farce.

Yes it’s harder if the law completely closes down on this and legislates men are women.

We had an out which took incredibly brave women and culminating in the FWS SC ruling.

Aus doesn’t have that, it’ll need new legislation.

ArabellaScott · 12/09/2026 09:09

Re it not being an electoral issue- it never has been here. It doesn't need the whole populace to be entirely focused on it. You can do a lot with Mgt Mead's small and determined group.

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ArabellaScott · 12/09/2026 09:06

Lauren Hubbard. NZ, but I imagine Antipodean can work, too.

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PeachyDaisy · 12/09/2026 08:59

I think Australia allows people to criticise the law. I always wear my 'Proud TERF' hat around and regularly go to WRN protests. I'm always on social media posting my GC views (under my name). Never had any issues.

ArabellaScott · 12/09/2026 08:57

PeachyDaisy · 12/09/2026 08:52

100% agree about Isla Bryson and that photo. Also there was that photo of Lia Thomas towering over the female competitors on the podium, really galvanised things.

We just need something like that, with a viral photo that shows the craziness of what has been allowed to happened

There already will be images and stories. We have several from Australia! Riley Dennis, Lauren thigummy the fat weightlifter. I will think of more once I've had coffee.

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ArabellaScott · 12/09/2026 08:55

mrshoho · 12/09/2026 08:50

Although as painful as it was we in the UK already had the legislation in place with the Equality Act to recognise gender critical as a protected belief. The TRAs did a fine job of misinterpreting the law and it took all those cases Allison, Maya etc to challenge the law ending eventually with FWS and the supreme court ruling. Australia has an even greater challenge ahead. Media and campaigners are forced to break the current laws if they speak up. Australia says it is proud of its free speech laws but it is a farce.

Yes, thats what I mean about zooming back and out to ask whether women are allowed to discuss these things, ask questions, criticise the law, etc.

You have to start with something like Forstater effectively to establish that right.

Right back to first principles of human rights, freedom of speech, etc

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ArabellaScott · 12/09/2026 08:52

You have an easier job than TWAW supporters, because you have plain and simple reality, honesty and logic on your side. Its harder because they are very well funded and supported by the establishment.

Who are Australia's Stonewall, Mermaids, etc?

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PeachyDaisy · 12/09/2026 08:52

EasternStandard · 12/09/2026 08:37

Yes the photographer of the Isla Bryson pic did us a huge favour. People react to visual stuff much more quickly.

Ik Tickle looks male but the Bryson image worked well.

100% agree about Isla Bryson and that photo. Also there was that photo of Lia Thomas towering over the female competitors on the podium, really galvanised things.

We just need something like that, with a viral photo that shows the craziness of what has been allowed to happened

mrshoho · 12/09/2026 08:50

ArabellaScott · 12/09/2026 08:19

Well, we were in the same position here maybe seven or eight years ago.

Media silence was deafening. You could barely discuss it anywhere.

It changed painfully gradually.

But its a self defeating movement eventually, as the more 'successful' it is the more people see the impacts.

We are all behind you. Flowers

Although as painful as it was we in the UK already had the legislation in place with the Equality Act to recognise gender critical as a protected belief. The TRAs did a fine job of misinterpreting the law and it took all those cases Allison, Maya etc to challenge the law ending eventually with FWS and the supreme court ruling. Australia has an even greater challenge ahead. Media and campaigners are forced to break the current laws if they speak up. Australia says it is proud of its free speech laws but it is a farce.

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