Roxy Tickle is a man. I stand with Sall Grover.

Some have spoken about changing the laws but it's not one of the top issues in Australia (that tends to be cost of living/housing/healthcare/immigration etc). They may or may not change it (eventually)

I would say that yes, of course there are more pressing issues than gender identity. But if you take that argument to its logical conclusion, there would only be one pressing issue that we should all focus on.

Some might think that gender identity is less pressing than the cost of living. OK, let's focus on that.

But then cost of living is less serious than the threat of war from the middle east or Russia. OK, let's put all our energy into that.

But we would survive a war, and we wouldn't survive climate breakdown. OK, that's our priority.

Oh wait, AI might kill us all within 3 years, let's forget about the climate and just deal with AI. In fact, everything else at all can go by the wayside while we deal with the single issue that we consider most important. (If we can even agree on what is most important).

Do any of the rw parties say much on this?

I heard this a lot in the run up to the last GE. 'Gender identity is such a non issue. There are far more pressing issues that should take priority etc etc.' But for me being put in a position where I would be forced to deny the truth and accept and acknowledge a pack of lies became my top priority. Without being able to speak the truth and be safe in the knowledge that my rights are valid why would I as a woman bow down to any political party or figure supporting this?

It's going to take an election and political will. Unfortunately this is a pretty low piority issue for voters so it's difficult to see it changing anytime soon.

I do find it quite funny that roxy tickle is now one of the most famous men in the world.

It’s harder there as you’ll need legislative change to get out of this which requires a GE. Usually though this kind of thing gets changed if right wing parties get in.

Luckily for me, I'm a right-wing voter, so the parties I vote for tend to be better on this issue anyway.

I don't know enough about Australian politics to comment on that but in the UK it's more of a two pronged attack on women's rights.

The left makes equality law ridiculous, which is an excuse for Reform to announce that they will abolish the Equality Act, and therefore all the legislation that has protected women from unlawful discrimination since 1975.

I know I care a lot more about single-sex spaces than the average person does. But it's also not a top issue for me (it probably isn't even in my top 10) so I don't expect others to put this issue above all else. Luckily for me, I'm a right-wing voter, so the parties I vote for tend to be better on this issue anyway.

And this is before taking into account the fact that Australia is now a paradise for predators.

You can thank Julia Gillard for that.

And this is before taking into account the fact that Australia is now a paradise for predators. Any man who wants to access vulnerable women and children can simply say he is a woman and by-pass safeguarding systems, whether innate or external. Jimmy Saville levels of access.

The problem is more that if the concept of 'sex' no longer exists in law and policy, then everything just becomes mixed sex and unlawful sex discrimination ceases to exist.

The exceptions in the UK equality act allow single sex spaces because it is acknowledged that it is acceptable to object to the presence of a person of the opposite sex in some situations. In contrast, the Roxy Tickle case demonstrated that in Australia this idea doesn't exist.

If that is the case, why have single sex wards at all?

A better argument might be to try to appeal to women's sense of community ('it probably won't happen to you, but it will happen to some woman out there')

That's pretty much exactly what we all do. I'm not planning on being sent to prison however I care about the women who do end up in there. I am aware of their vulnerability and will campaign for their rights to single sex spaces.

My children are grown adults now but it won't stop me from campaigning for children's safeguarding.

I'm healthy and fortunate not to currently require medical care but I campaign for women's dignity and rights to be safe in our hospitals. The majority of our population do not have private medical care with the luxury of a private room. I've come across transgender nursing staff in several hospitals where family members have been an inpatient. Your mother may not be as removed from these scenarios as she estimates.

Thank you for sharing this, I hadn't heard it xx

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They would not significantly increase the odds especially as a lot of hospitals do single room. (private hospitals do anyway). The chance of going into general hospital and seeing a transwoman in your room is well below %1.

I'm not saying that it's not an issue but trying to present it as 'this is something that will likely happen to you' is not convincing for people when they find out how few transwomen are out there. A better argument might be to try to appeal to women's sense of community ('it probably won't happen to you, but it will happen to some woman out there')

No economist would assume a uniform distribution throughout a population. She'd need more data on geographic and demographic variables. As @AimsAndObjectives says, TW occurrence seems weighted towards healthcare settings. We might also add local government and youth initiatives.

Plus, 0.3% of the population (if correct) is 0.6% of the male population. One in 167. Even before weighting for higher incidence settings, it's not vanishingly rare.

Tess Tickle

Surely this is an error? Shouldn't the first name be Tess?

Trans-identified men as in-patients on female wards, as carers in a care facility or in the client's home, as health care assistants and nurses and doctors. Those odds are stacking up against your mum. Let's hope she doesn't need intimate care from a Beth Upton 🙏

Australia is broken. Tickle is a man in the eyes of every sane person and Sall is a hero. Only legislation can cure the madness now.

I just don't think these arguments would be enough to sway my mum as she is a maths person (economist) and she knows that only about 0.3% of the adult population are transwomen which makes the odds of ending up sharing a hospital room with one extremely small. She has private health insurance so I don't think she ever has to share a room when I come to think of it.

Good on you for standing up for your Mum and demanding better care. It is so dehumanising to expect a an elderly woman, or any woman, to go along with that, and for it not to be upsetting.

pretending that single sex provision is not important seems to be increasingly a thing, leaving aside ‘trans’

my ill , mildly demented mum was discharged from hospital late at night with a ‘care’ package. 2 men arrived at about 10pm when she was already beside herself, expecting to undress her and change her pad and put her to bed

when we declined the care and asked them to send women, the men got seriously arsey, to the point I had to point out that they had no actual right to undress my mother. They thoroughly seemed to feel that my mum was the unreasonable one for not wanting to be undressed in front of men she’d only just met and the care company categorically refused to arrange any sort of replacement

the whole thing was beyond upsetting

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