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The Proclaimers... another reason to love them

193 replies

AMouseWithValour · 09/09/2026 13:37

Sunshine on Leith makes me cry every single time, but who would have thought that they would come out swinging for women's rights?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/efa9ba470db8e0cd

The interview is very punchy, and well worth a read.

'That, though, wasn’t the primary reason that, in May’s Scottish parliamentary elections, Craig didn’t vote SNP for the first time since 1983. That reason was “the anger that I still feel that they passed a self ID bill which was so badly [formulated]”. He’s talking about the 2022 Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill that makes it easier for individuals to change their legal gender. “It’s so badly done that it inevitably led to violent men, including convicted rapists, being sent to women’s prison. For me, that is unforgivable.”'

I'm going to stream the new album as soon as I can. And, as a side note I think they are one of the best bands I've seen.

The Proclaimers: The trans lobby are truth-phobic

Ahead of a provocative new album, Craig and Charlie Reid on their anger at the SNP, Western warmongering and the imperilment of free speech

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/efa9ba470db8e0cd

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AlexandraLeaving · 10/09/2026 05:32

This Is The Story that has what it takes to Make My Heart Fly. So pleased Craig and Charlie are prepared to speak the Beautiful Truth and hope at last the myth that reality is a far-right preserve is finally Over And Done With.

Pink Leggings no more.

WearyAuldWumman · 10/09/2026 01:41

I'm not surprised. They're Fifers: they know what's being going on here: Upton, Green, Scott, Dolatowski.

moto748e · 10/09/2026 00:51

Abhannmor · 09/09/2026 21:53

Same . Cast my first vote for an old Communist Party candidate years ago. Don't think I've changed a whole lot. Whereas a lot of young woke types don't seem to know much about socialism , or care for that matter. Their politics come in a bundle , largely unexamined. Off the peg so to speak. It's a bit depressing really. Gwan Craig and Charlie!

Absolutely this. Their heads have been filled with this rubbish, which is about as far removed from socialism as you could imagine. Any real socialists would be saying, why the hell aren't the trades unions supporting Sandie Peggy and the Darlington nurses and Jennifer Melle. And voices of sanity from anyone in the music industry are surely very welcome.

ETA: grammar.

NameyMcNew · 10/09/2026 00:49

Their new single “You May Offend” ❤️

As you breathe
As you grow
As you ascend
You'll lose count of the fools, you may offend
Just by giving out the thoughts in your head
You may reach a point where some will wish you dead
Speech is free, so are we
I am assured
But too much rational thought
Needs to be cured
So suppress the fact that you prey upon your mind
For the greater good of always being kind
That old street called tolerance
Runs both ways, or makes no sense
As you breathe
As you grow
As you ascend
You'll lose count of the fools, you may offend
Just by giving out the thoughts in your head
You may reach a point where someone will wish you dead

m.youtube.com/watch?v=YkjUNubagRs&ra=m

Mollyollydolly · 10/09/2026 00:09

I had a quick look on Bluesky .. it's amazing seeing Dorian Lynsky posting about them with such disappointment. These once seemingly intelligent people are totally infantilised by this crap. Yet we're the ones who've been radicalised.. yeah right.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 09/09/2026 22:59

DizzyWhoreEighteenHundredAndFour · 09/09/2026 20:20

Oh they are losing their shit over on BlueHair.

THAT'S IT I'M TAKING THE PROCLAIMERS OFF ALL MY PLAYLISTS!!!!1!1!1!11!!! 😡😡😡

Sure they were on there to begin with, Chlamydia-Rose.

I laughed so loud at this I woke the toddler up 🙄

But thank you (all soothed back to sleep now)

OnTheBoardwalk · 09/09/2026 22:42

I love the Proclaimers but wouldn’t have purchased their new album but will now, thanks for the thread

off topic but if you’ve seen them live recently check out Erica their fabulous fiddle player https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erica_Nockalls

Erica Nockalls - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erica_Nockalls

Maaate · 09/09/2026 22:39

So, in "On My Way" do you go 1 and 3 or 2 and 4 with the 'uh-huh's'? 🤣

likelysuspect · 09/09/2026 22:37

Thats good, but they'll probably be 'cancelled'

JacknDiane · 09/09/2026 22:32

So many sensible Scottish voices here.
Can I recommend a watch of "The Cheviot, The Stag and The Black Black Oil". Its brilliant.
As are The Proclaimers.

As you were.

JacknDiane · 09/09/2026 22:28

Abhannmor · 09/09/2026 17:57

So glad a left wing band have said this. So deeply disappointed by my old faves like Jimmy Somerville et al. Yes , Hibs have the best song now , eat yer hearts out Liverpool, Celtic whoever.
Truth- phobic is a brilliant coinage !

Here you

Thedogscollar · 09/09/2026 22:21

Been a fan from the start. Used to live not far from them when they started their career.
Outstanding musicians and singer songwriters. Been to many of their concerts.
Agree 100% with their stance on this.
"Those fucking bairns" indeed.

Ractify · 09/09/2026 22:16

Absolutely brilliant - truthphobic is exactly right. Whenever the accusation of “transphobia” is hurled, the counter of “truthphobia” is the perfect retort.

NotBadConsidering · 09/09/2026 22:12

those f---ing bairns

It’s going to be very hard to watch the original film series without thinking of this now.

CharlieClownNoWayHome · 09/09/2026 22:10

IwantToRetire · 09/09/2026 21:53

He is always like that. Not only is he a TRA but he is a twat (idiot).

I once wrote a complaint about how he sniggered his way through quite a sensitive issue report, and he was making the BBC look unprofessional.

They rejected by complaint saying it was an opinion!

Evan's twinkly laugh and sniggers are a total give away to how impartial he isn't on any given subject. The more his voice catches the worse it is.

YourWiseBee · 09/09/2026 21:57

Love the Proclaimers and they have always been political.

one of my favourite (although not as well known) songs is Cap in Hand. It just really describes Scotland at the time. I’m not even a Nationalist but that one gets me going every time.

Abhannmor · 09/09/2026 21:53

Waitingfordoggo · 09/09/2026 21:26

I really like that bit about anti-woke and left wing. It’s just so refreshing to hear celebrities say such a thing. Especially when those celebrities are well known as being socialist/left wing. I feel like I’ve been waiting for someone to say it publicly for such a long time. In real life, if I say I’m left wing but I see problems with ‘woke’ ideologies, people very often don’t seem to get it and just assume I’m lying about being a leftie.

Same . Cast my first vote for an old Communist Party candidate years ago. Don't think I've changed a whole lot. Whereas a lot of young woke types don't seem to know much about socialism , or care for that matter. Their politics come in a bundle , largely unexamined. Off the peg so to speak. It's a bit depressing really. Gwan Craig and Charlie!

IwantToRetire · 09/09/2026 21:53

Mmmnotsure · 09/09/2026 20:23

It's an interview with the Proclaimers, in which they make coherent political points, punctuated by snatches of their music. And then after an extract which goes

We talk of barbarism
Like we left it in the past
While we elect malignant scoundrels
Each one as bad as the last

Evan Davies' comment is, "Again, highly political, almost kind of comically unsubtle [tinkly laugh]."

Did he mean to be quite so insulting or is he always like this with his guests?

The answer he was given, btw: "I think that's called honesty".

He is always like that. Not only is he a TRA but he is a twat (idiot).

I once wrote a complaint about how he sniggered his way through quite a sensitive issue report, and he was making the BBC look unprofessional.

They rejected by complaint saying it was an opinion!

Deanefan · 09/09/2026 21:44

weegielass01 · 09/09/2026 14:33

david tennant will be fizzing, doesn't he adore the proclaimers? At least we'll be spared him badly singing 500 miles at every opportunity now.

Exactly what I thought when I started to read this

TheInvisibleWorm · 09/09/2026 21:42

Waitingfordoggo · 09/09/2026 21:26

I really like that bit about anti-woke and left wing. It’s just so refreshing to hear celebrities say such a thing. Especially when those celebrities are well known as being socialist/left wing. I feel like I’ve been waiting for someone to say it publicly for such a long time. In real life, if I say I’m left wing but I see problems with ‘woke’ ideologies, people very often don’t seem to get it and just assume I’m lying about being a leftie.

Yes! There's such an enormous sense of relief when people point out the obvious like this. I'm left wing AND I give a shit about women. I'm gender critical AND I think anyone can wear any clothes/hair/makeup they like.

Waitingfordoggo · 09/09/2026 21:26

AliceinNumberland · 09/09/2026 19:01

The Radio 4 interview just before 6pm, with Evan Davies, was very good too. The questions tiptoed around this rather than tackled it head on, but the Proclaimers were clear that they were pro independence but thought the SNP had gone off piste and shot itself in the foot. And also Evan’s asked something along the lines of ‘isn’t anti-woke rather a right wing position’ and they came straight back and said ‘we are left wing (as in redistribution of wealth) but not omnicause (they didn’t use that word, but they basically said ‘left’ had become a shorthand for a lot of things that aren’t left at all).

I really like that bit about anti-woke and left wing. It’s just so refreshing to hear celebrities say such a thing. Especially when those celebrities are well known as being socialist/left wing. I feel like I’ve been waiting for someone to say it publicly for such a long time. In real life, if I say I’m left wing but I see problems with ‘woke’ ideologies, people very often don’t seem to get it and just assume I’m lying about being a leftie.

LittleJustice · 09/09/2026 21:25

HannahinHampshire · 09/09/2026 20:55

I’m going to see the Proclaimers in Portsmouth in November 🙂

and seeing Squeeze at the same venue in December 🙂

Squeeze are supported by Billy Bragg . . . 🙁

I absolutely love squeeze but did not buy tickets on principal because Billy brag is supporting them

Mcdhotchoc · 09/09/2026 21:18

I have long adored them.
I listen to "In Recognition" whenever the New Years Honours are announced.
Also "Shadows Fall" has to be one of the finest songs ever written.

EmpressDomesticatednottamed · 09/09/2026 21:13

BoreOfWhabylon · 09/09/2026 20:49

Wonder how this has gone down with Working Class Hero™️ Billy Bragg.

Hopefully like a bucket of cold (insert revolting substance HERE).
If we are very lucky it might render him completely speechless for about half a minute.

HannahinHampshire · 09/09/2026 20:55

BoreOfWhabylon · 09/09/2026 20:49

Wonder how this has gone down with Working Class Hero™️ Billy Bragg.

I’m going to see the Proclaimers in Portsmouth in November 🙂

and seeing Squeeze at the same venue in December 🙂

Squeeze are supported by Billy Bragg . . . 🙁