The Proclaimers... another reason to love them

Yes, James Dreyfuss is great, along with the other GC men. But that's the thing, people on both sides of the culture wars are in a 'team' and it's a brave person who will break ranks with their team.

Most GC men are sort of on the right. Left leaning GC men are very hard to find but I think Charlie and Craig have always been independent thinkers who don't follow the herd.

Yes, good for James. But the numbers of influential men are vanishingly small.
All I can conclude is they either all believe what they say, or...um, the alternative is almost worse than them believing it. It would mean they know it's a crock of shit, but just won't call it as such.
#StunningAndBrave.

I've been pondering this, it's going to be a bit of a tricky one to stand up to Craig and Charlie baldly stating that convicted rapists have been sent to womens prisons, an eminently checkable fact.
It's surely not going to be easy to wriggle out of that one and emerge with the scent of roses?

I've always wondered if this whole tnhing will eventually eat itself as it creates more and more definitions of identities and argues over who is and who isn't really part of them. There won't be space for a fag paper between them and the absurdity just ramps up as it all frantically circles the gaping great big hole in the middle, no clear definition of anything to the point where people think it's ok to support a convicted rapist being in a womens prison.

I did a very progressive arts degree at a very progressive arts college and we played about a lot with post modernism and definitions, but that was always in context and we were never so stupid as to argue that a flute could be identified as a trombone. Call it what you like, it still sounds like and has the range of a flute.

James Dreyfuss? Maybe not so much in a position of influence but he's fairly well known.

Ha 😅

Somebody asked me where I was from and I told him then added "but I've been all over" (including Fife). He said he could tell as my accent had a touch of everywhere in it. I don't hear it at all.

The video @NameyMcNew linked to, I wonder if the the 'TRA' when the children were rearranging the letters was deliberate. I'd be surprised if not.

My accent softened a great deal when I was at uni. Now that I'm retired and no longer in the classroom, A've gone full pelt intae Cowdenghelly.

That's interesting. I'm going to listen to their albums over the next weeks and see if I can pick that up.

I've lost my Fife twang, left in 1993 and have never lived there since. 12 years in Edinburgh, then 20+ based on the Isle of Wight with quite a lot of time spent as contracting eurotrash in France and Austria.

I'm one of they ones that has a changey accent according to the people around me. 8 weeks in France and I was speaking English with French meter and intonation ffs lol

It goes the other way too, 20 minutes in the Kingdom and it's full "did ye deek the speed o thon vohn neebs, near couped the loddie off es bike"

I remember that. What a prize prick he turned out to be.

Love The Proclaimers. Any word from David Tennant? Billy Bragg?

Thanks to @ArabellaScott for posting the review.

In spite of what the review says, their accents do sound much, much softer to my ear - perhaps because they now live in Edinburgh?

When they first came to the fore, their Fife accent was much more noticeable than mine; now it's the other way round.

They seem to have lost the Fife "ü" and the "r" is much, much softer. (In choir practice in a Fife high school we were constantly being told "Round your lips! It's not ü!")

Brighton, sold out.
😂

Yes, he had a few men who could see how women were getting responses so they would ask the questions that they had asked but weren’t answering. He seemed to go on a blocking spree after that and I was one of them. Bit like Jolyon ‘Michael Gaaaaaaaaaave’ Maugham who did similar. No loss to my life, but while he’s singing, I’ll be eating my chips and taking my time to get to my seat 😂

Jesus he's even more of a misogynist than I thought. Horrible man, such a disappointment.

Love The Proclaimers, even more so for this! They’ve vocalised and got into the national press exactly how I feel right now about Scottish politics, the SNP and this issue. Common sense, no nonsense, and entirely correct re the three weans in the HP films 😂

I love Squeeze but will not be watching Billy Bragg - we had a slight spat on Twitter after he continuing ignored women on the subject of women’s rights but would answer men who copied and pasted those questions from women and who got responses! He didn’t like that being pointed out to him. So, no silly Billy for me

That's quite some review. I'm looking forward to the album immensely

Oh, I’m so pleased for you @TheInvisibleWorm! I hope you go down the rabbit hole to explore his brilliantly creative back catalogue. He is just a wonder. And very easy on the eye

https://louderthanwar.com/the-proclaimers-you-may-offend-album-review/

How come they have so many fans in Sweden, mind you there are still tickets for Orebro and Karlstad?

https://the.proclaimers.co.uk/the-gigs

Bloody hell, sold out all over the country.

Still a few tickets available for Aiberdeen, December - let Sophie Molly know!

Can we send them a 'Mumsnet Approved' sticker for their new album? 😁

I'm actually surprised this article quotes so much of the Telegraph interview verbatim without editorialising alongside. I imagine the comments and Trans Reddit aren't very happy.

Wow, I didn't think the definition of transphobe could stretch much wider but there you go. Now it encompasses consuming any art that has had involvement from anyone who made comments Sophie molly doesn't like.

Miserable bunch, they'll have to cheer themselves up with Pot Noodles efforts.

Anyhow, not a chance, I had a look at The Proclaimers tour dates and they've sold out everywhere in Scotland, (Edinburgh twice) apart from Aberdeen, I suspect that'll sell out soon!
(I am open to suggestions of which type of cake I need to eat if I am wrong, I draw the line at eating garments or accessories)

edited to clarify that Pot Noodle has not sold out any tour dates

The algorithms gave me "Hi Ren" on a playlist yesterday, and I loved it. Had to stop work and read the lyrics ❤️