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The Proclaimers... another reason to love them

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AMouseWithValour · 09/09/2026 13:37

Sunshine on Leith makes me cry every single time, but who would have thought that they would come out swinging for women's rights?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/efa9ba470db8e0cd

The interview is very punchy, and well worth a read.

'That, though, wasn’t the primary reason that, in May’s Scottish parliamentary elections, Craig didn’t vote SNP for the first time since 1983. That reason was “the anger that I still feel that they passed a self ID bill which was so badly [formulated]”. He’s talking about the 2022 Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill that makes it easier for individuals to change their legal gender. “It’s so badly done that it inevitably led to violent men, including convicted rapists, being sent to women’s prison. For me, that is unforgivable.”'

I'm going to stream the new album as soon as I can. And, as a side note I think they are one of the best bands I've seen.

The Proclaimers: The trans lobby are truth-phobic

Ahead of a provocative new album, Craig and Charlie Reid on their anger at the SNP, Western warmongering and the imperilment of free speech

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/efa9ba470db8e0cd

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AccidentallyWesAnderson · 11/09/2026 19:19

I’ve had The Joyful Kilmarnock Blues on a loop in my head since this thread. I’m also a hibee so delighted at their comments. And that they didn’t vote for the SNP. Well done lads.

tothesea · 11/09/2026 17:28

Sensible, intelligent and forthright. No shit taken. ‘Gon yersels Craig and Charlie!
Here’s my Proclaimers story. I was working in a shop in Edinburgh about 30 years ago (gulp) I was staring out the window bored witless and spotted them crossing the road and heading towards the shop. To my horror the tape that played on a loop in the shop started playing a Proclaimers song. I watched them approach getting ready for mortification but they just walked past… not before one of them caught the eye of the red faced, horrified looking women in the window.

I’m sure they would have just laughed if they’d come in but I was easily embarrassed in those days and was worried that they would think I’d done it deliberately 🫣

RoyalCorgi · 11/09/2026 17:09

Absolutely love that tweet from Alison Moyet. She is so right.

Have never been a particular Proclaimers fan but may buy their album just to prove a point. Over the past few years, I've bought a lot of books by GC authors (eg Jane Harris and Amanda Craig) just so show my support, so I might as well do the same with music.

It's been really noticeable that so many businesses that have allied themselves with the trans cause have lost money (Bud Lite, Nike etc) while people who ally themselves with the GC cause have flourished (remember the rabbit rescue people getting all those donations?) I think there's a massive difference in opinion between the people who run arts organisations, publishing companies etc, who have cut ties with GC artists, and the buying public, who have all been giving them money.

FedUpCelery · 11/09/2026 16:23

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 11/09/2026 10:47

Yes, good for James. But the numbers of influential men are vanishingly small.
All I can conclude is they either all believe what they say, or...um, the alternative is almost worse than them believing it. It would mean they know it's a crock of shit, but just won't call it as such.
#StunningAndBrave.

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Eddie izzard is getting stick from some TRAs because he hasn't said awful things about JKR. I came across an ADHD page that had taken down a post about Eddie and apologised for it, because he had said something that I gather was slightly defensive of JKR or at least not fully castigating her.

So he's a baddie now too

ThePM · 11/09/2026 16:12

…and because I cannot my money where my mouth is- their complete back catalogue has been downloaded on Spotify. Same as I did for Roisin Murphy.

ArabellaScott · 11/09/2026 16:10

HannahinHampshire · 11/09/2026 15:06

Does anyone follow Gareth Roberts - OldRoberts953 on Twitter? He has a substack ‘Middle Class Holes - a guide to the most awful semi-posh people in Britain’. Billy Bragg is his latest ‘victim’ and it’s glorious!
https://theageofstupid.substack.com/p/working-class-zeroes-25-billy-bragg?r=44xwv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

'It quickly becomes the least sexy song imaginable, with all the erotic allure of a GLC pamphlet.
And before the first verse is out - it happens. The lyric that causes your entire body to convulse in embarrassment. ‘And just because you’re gay I won’t turn you away/If you stick around I’m sure that we can find some common ground’. How considerate, Bill, ta very much.
And what exactly does he mean by finding common ground? Sharing our animus for ver Torees? Or perhaps some light frotting in a doorway?'

The frotting gifs are not what I'd expected, tbh. They're making me hungry. Is it teatime?

Saucery · 11/09/2026 15:50

Gareth Roberts is great - highly recommend his book Gay Shame.

HannahinHampshire · 11/09/2026 15:06

Does anyone follow Gareth Roberts - OldRoberts953 on Twitter? He has a substack ‘Middle Class Holes - a guide to the most awful semi-posh people in Britain’. Billy Bragg is his latest ‘victim’ and it’s glorious!
https://theageofstupid.substack.com/p/working-class-zeroes-25-billy-bragg?r=44xwv&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Working Class Zeroes 25 - Billy Bragg

Rambling Sid Stalin

https://theageofstupid.substack.com/p/working-class-zeroes-25-billy-bragg?r=44xwv

DontStopMe · 11/09/2026 14:08

I've learnt a new word that I'm sure will be very useful: alethophobia is fear or dislike of the truth.

LaLoba · 11/09/2026 14:03

BackToLurk · 11/09/2026 10:57

I'll just leave this here

Gods I love Alison. Ordinary Girl always gets me wobbly.

PersonIrresponsible · 11/09/2026 13:40

I should think more and more people will be speaking out now. It's becoming easier and easier to smell the victory amidst the bullshit we've been sucking up for the last few years.

Never been a fan of The Proclaimers - and not just because they were once an earworm FOR DAYS. But I will add them to my playlist to compensate them for the one trans fan who feels compelled to cancel them

And what with the BBC is decommissioning Drag Queen - I will even do a happy dance to 500 miles.

roseyposey · 11/09/2026 12:59

I’ve always loved The Proclaimers. Intelligent wise lyrics from intelligent wise men ❤️

moto748e · 11/09/2026 12:56

I know absolutely nothing of them bar 500 Miles. I have just bought their new CD, though. I liked the couple of tracks on that review linked to upthread.

lifeinthelastlane · 11/09/2026 12:51

I love both that they did this and also that this is now something famous folk feel they can do - especially with a new album coming out!!
Tide is indeed turning

MyPearlViper · 11/09/2026 12:42

There was a comedy show on in Oxford on Wednesday - Paul Merton and Suki Webster and a couple of other comedians improvising - and they walked off at the end to 500 Miles.

I couldn't help wondering if it was deliberate...

Waitingfordoggo · 11/09/2026 12:04

Isn’t Ricky Gervais left leaning? I would think so. He also seems to be GC.

moto748e · 11/09/2026 11:51

Left leaning GC men are very hard to find

How very dare you! 😁

guinnessguzzler · 11/09/2026 11:50

Davros · 11/09/2026 11:41

Isn’t Jimmy Car GC?

I suspect he is. I saw part of an interview between him and Davina McCall recently (popped up on my facebook) where she said something like 'You've gone all Dalai Lama'. He has had a lot of therapy over the years and seems to have become really quite sensible. Not seen anything either way but he seems pretty switched on. Saying that, so do lots of them until they open their mouths 😂

ArabellaScott · 11/09/2026 11:45

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-turns-proclaimers-against-37644864

'Prominent Nat band the Proclaimers revealed that they didn't vote for the SNP for the first time since 1983 - and it was down to Nicola Sturgeon. Craig Reid confirmed that he decided not to support the party at the Holyrood Election due to "anger" over the former First Minister's gender self-ID bill.'
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'You May Offend is the album's title track and is about free speech. Craig compared this to the gender critical movement getting death threats. He said: "There’s women, actual women, who are threatened with violence – sometimes get violence – and de-platformed because they have the temerity to say that a woman is an adult human female. And they are shouted down by 0.5 per cent in a population who are male and who think that because they put on a dress, and they put on make-up, that that makes them a female.”'
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'On claims he may be "right wing" on this issue, Craig said: I think it’s the Left losing their collective mind. JK Rowling: I think she was absolutely wrong on Scottish independence and has been proved wrong. But I think she’s absolutely right on women’s rights. You can agree with some people on almost everything, and you can agree with other people on maybe one or two subjects. But it doesn’t mean [you agree with everything]. You have to have freedom of thought.”'

Nicola Sturgeon turns the Proclaimers against the SNP as singer rejected party

The Proclaimers are lifelong fans of Scottish independence and formerly the SNP but Craig Reid confirmed he didn't vote for John Swinney's party at the Holyrood Election due to the former First Minister's views on gender self-ID.

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-turns-proclaimers-against-37644864

TheInvisibleWorm · 11/09/2026 11:43

NebulousSadTimes · 11/09/2026 09:36

Ha 😅

Somebody asked me where I was from and I told him then added "but I've been all over" (including Fife). He said he could tell as my accent had a touch of everywhere in it. I don't hear it at all.

The video @NameyMcNew linked to, I wonder if the the 'TRA' when the children were rearranging the letters was deliberate. I'd be surprised if not.

Also that the letters spelled out "TRANCE", which is quite a neat observation on the cult-like mentality. Trans/trance... Definitely not accidental.

ArabellaScott · 11/09/2026 11:41

The question now is whether they will be Roisin Murphy'd.

Any BBC plays of the new album?
Any more reviews? They've a sell out tour, they're obviously big names in music.

Davros · 11/09/2026 11:41

Isn’t Jimmy Car GC?

TheInvisibleWorm · 11/09/2026 11:38

I've been listening to the new album all morning. "There's No Plan" is screaming "Nicola Sturgeon" 😂 They're so good

ArabellaScott · 11/09/2026 11:11

5MinuteArgument · 11/09/2026 10:50

Yes, James Dreyfuss is great, along with the other GC men. But that's the thing, people on both sides of the culture wars are in a 'team' and it's a brave person who will break ranks with their team.

Most GC men are sort of on the right. Left leaning GC men are very hard to find but I think Charlie and Craig have always been independent thinkers who don't follow the herd.

Just not true, though. Plenty lefty men.with gc views

BackToLurk · 11/09/2026 10:57

SALaw · 10/09/2026 20:41

Love The Proclaimers. Any word from David Tennant? Billy Bragg?

I'll just leave this here

The Proclaimers... another reason to love them