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France: female staff at Eiffel Tower removed for visit by Hindu religious group

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Lalgarh · 09/09/2026 08:15

The Swaminarayan group requested no female attendance because their priests take a vow of celibacy which require them not to be in the vicinity of any female

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyenxp540vo

BAPS says the segregation of men and women was introduced for the benefit of women, but critics say 18th-Century beliefs have no place in today's world, and keeping women out in the name of religious practices is discriminatory.

I know someone whose mother has spent weeks working on the preparation for the temple they're talking about, unpaid.

Hindu monks stand in front of the Eiffel Tower wearing traditional orange robes.

Eiffel Tower: Investigation after female staff replaced by men for religious visit

The move saw outraged staff walk off the job on Monday, closing the French landmark for a day.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyenxp540vo

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Lalgarh · 09/09/2026 15:34

MarieDeGournay · 09/09/2026 10:24

Where was precious French laïcité [secularism] when a religious group asks for women to be sidelined from a national monument?

And how did management decide who should make themselves scarce? Was it decided by biological sex, or gender identity?😒

I'm wondering if they might have been doing this in the UK and it was just shrugged off as inclusiveness (paradoxically). They do apply this in the temple and you're not allowed within about 20 metres of them

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friedaklein · 09/09/2026 12:42

I so wish Hinduism- which has so much of delight, value and wonder- could be liberated from misognyistic men and regressive practices.

MarieDeGournay · 09/09/2026 12:38

The Swaminarayan group requested no female attendance because their priests take a vow of celibacy which require them not to be in the vicinity of any female.

Fair enough, gentlemen, whatever floats your boat. I think men staying well away from women is a splendid ideaSmile

But if your vow of celibacy [or chastity, perhaps more accurately] requires you not to be in the vicinity of any female, it's probably best not to frequent popular tourist sites.

I suggest an enclosed monastery.
I for one take a vow not to be in the vicinity of it, ever.
Sorted!

friedaklein · 09/09/2026 12:32

The Swaminarayam sect have now apologised as well, after being roundly flayed in the Indian press.

friedaklein · 09/09/2026 12:31

I am of Indian and Hindu origin- though I am not really a practising Hindu any more- and there is mass outrage in the community. Both against the monks and the Eiffel Tower management. The Swaminarayan sect is quite a regressive and small section of the community.
What they have now done with this foolishness is to make being a S Asian in the West even harder.

soupycustard · 09/09/2026 12:24

So there are people in France who know what a woman is. Despite criminalising Dora Moutot. Interesting how the rules apply.

Lalgarh · 09/09/2026 11:22

The Swaminarayan sect rely on a LOT of female labour and volunteers.

Volunteers, natch

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Grammarnut · 09/09/2026 10:44

I'm with the 15th century Delhi princess who said - can't remember exact words, sorry - that if men could not keep their hands off unveiled women in the street then men should wear blindfolds. Good idea.
But the origins of the separation of women in some faiths (and Hinduism does not routinely separate women from men) is because they are 'honour' cultures not 'high trust' cultures. Europe has a high trust culture, where we trust each other to behave within the decided norms (and punish those who do not keep the norms e.g. who murder, rape, steal, or commit fraud). This is not the case in many other places, which leads to the seclusion of women because men outside one's own family or clan cannot be trusted, as they also cannot be trusted to deal honestly. That does not mean that people are not honest and virtuous, but that the culture does not trust that they are/always will be, the reverse of a 'high trust' society where everyone is assumed to be trustworthy unless they show themselves or are proved otherwise.

GretaGip · 09/09/2026 10:31

If men could actually keep it in their pants none of this shenanigans would have ever arisen.

MarieDeGournay · 09/09/2026 10:24

Where was precious French laïcité [secularism] when a religious group asks for women to be sidelined from a national monument?

And how did management decide who should make themselves scarce? Was it decided by biological sex, or gender identity?😒

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