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School brings in trousers only rule for all pupils - schoolgirls said to be in tears ...

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IwantToRetire · 07/09/2026 17:35

Schoolgirls have been left "in tears" after a controversial new uniform rule was enforced at the start of the school year, with furious parents claiming some pupils were stopped from attending lessons.

The row has erupted after Co-op Academies Trust introduced a trousers-only policy across its secondary schools from September.
Some families have refused to accept the change, with pupils at Co-op Academy Failsworth in Oldham arriving for their first day back on Wednesday wearing skirts.

Parents claim that a number of Year 11 girls were not allowed into class, with other pupils affected when they returned on Thursday.

The policy also applies at Co-op Academy Walkden, Co-op Academy Swinton, Co-op Academy North Manchester, Co-op Academy Manchester and Co-op Academy Belle Vue.

Full article https://www.aol.co.uk/articles/schoolgirls-tears-being-turned-away-100800000.html

Schoolgirls 'in tears' after being 'turned away from lessons' over 'ridiculous' skirt rule - AOL

A number of girls at Co-op Academy Failsworth in Oldham have been told they will not be allowed in lessons until they swap their skirts for trousers

https://www.aol.co.uk/articles/schoolgirls-tears-being-turned-away-100800000.html

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BananaPeels · 07/09/2026 23:09

jumpingjohnny · 07/09/2026 23:04

Supermarkets sell school uniform skorts for 15/16 year olds?

And you have a link to the item to share?

I can't even find revere collar shirts for dd in supermarkets! Haven't found boys shirts/trousers in any size past 12-13 ish for ds all summer!

Out of stock becuase of the start of the year (and this one does only go up to age15!) but

https://direct.asda.com/george/school/girls-school-skirts/black-school-girls-skorts-2-pack/G008258553,default,pd.html?redirectFromInt=1&srsltid=AfmBOoqgr07iO4RRW7DMkyuCNpFFQyOQqQgJ00q9dSM2kWCFBw48k5biZoE

I am sure the others do other types as well.

m&s do other ones for £9 which can be delivered

amazon have a huge selection.

they are not difficult to come by and if there is more demand from schools they will increase the ranges.

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https://direct.asda.com/george/school/girls-school-skirts/black-school-girls-skorts-2-pack/G008258553,default,pd.html?redirectFromInt=1&srsltid=AfmBOoqgr07iO4RRW7DMkyuCNpFFQyOQqQgJ00q9dSM2kWCFBw48k5biZoE

OtterlyAstounding · 07/09/2026 23:07

ArabellaScott · 07/09/2026 22:51

In your line of sight? How tall are you?!

To be fair, if someone is several metres in front of you then it would be line of sight – and despite not being a pervert, I do find I notice when a teenage girl is wearing something very exposing, as it’s rather shocking and so tends to draw the eye before I (obviously) avert my gaze. I don’t want to see anyone’s pants/bum cheeks, let alone those of a child.

When I was at school, the other girls absolutely rolled (although not to that extent!) in order to show off to each other, to be ‘edgy’, and to be sexually provocative. I don’t think that’s appropriate in a school, and the level of sexual self-objectification is really disappointing to see as a feminist.

jumpingjohnny · 07/09/2026 23:04

BananaPeels · 07/09/2026 22:55

good job the supermarkets sell them as well then isn’t it?!

Supermarkets sell school uniform skorts for 15/16 year olds?

And you have a link to the item to share?

I can't even find revere collar shirts for dd in supermarkets! Haven't found boys shirts/trousers in any size past 12-13 ish for ds all summer!

likelysuspect · 07/09/2026 23:02

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 07/09/2026 22:56

The school cares what fabric it is, so they probably won't allow it.

The barrier isn't me. The barrier is schools insisted on particular vendors and clothing styles for uniforms instead of saying "any grey pinafore dress, any grey trousers".

Christ you do realise this is a theoretical operation pinafore dont you? Theoretical HMS Pinafore. Not a real pinafore.

How long are you going to keep this up?

jumpingjohnny · 07/09/2026 22:58

Unwantedmaleopinion · 07/09/2026 22:29

Thank you for your reply that makes sense but in my local town there is a bespoke school uniform shop supplying the blazers and sports kit for local schools. This I am sure could easily be solved so girls can have a choice. Although it is owned and run by a man

That's part of the legislation, to stop there being a single supplier who can price gauge. There should be a maximum of 3 items (plus tie for secondary) that can only be purchased from a single supplier.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 07/09/2026 22:56

likelysuspect · 07/09/2026 22:08

Cringe!

Who cares what fabric its in, you're completely splitting hairs. The design is a solution. But no matter, trousers are also a solution and already in place for these girls

The school cares what fabric it is, so they probably won't allow it.

The barrier isn't me. The barrier is schools insisted on particular vendors and clothing styles for uniforms instead of saying "any grey pinafore dress, any grey trousers".

BananaPeels · 07/09/2026 22:55

jumpingjohnny · 07/09/2026 22:52

M&S is not easy to come by. No m&s anywhere near us locally. And the majority of parents do not shop at m&s for uniform! 😂

Easy to come by is supermarket ranges and cheaper high street options like primark. M&S is out of range for a large percentage of school parents.

good job the supermarkets sell them as well then isn’t it?!

jumpingjohnny · 07/09/2026 22:52

BananaPeels · 07/09/2026 22:26

M&S do one for £12. I’d say that was pretty easy to come by

M&S is not easy to come by. No m&s anywhere near us locally. And the majority of parents do not shop at m&s for uniform! 😂

Easy to come by is supermarket ranges and cheaper high street options like primark. M&S is out of range for a large percentage of school parents.

ArabellaScott · 07/09/2026 22:51

PleaseDontAsk · 07/09/2026 21:49

They have brought this on themselves.

I am sick and tired of seeing school girls going around with skirts, so short, you can literally see their knickers and arse cheeks hanging out the back of it. It's not even deliberately looking. It's in your line of sight walking down the high street.

It's absolutely indecent and it's not empowering. School is a professional environment where you go to learn and obtain qualifications. They wear a uniform it's not a fashion parade. No woman would be permitted to remain at work dressed like that with her knickers on display so why is it ok at school.

I think young girls and women would do well to remember that dressing in such a way is no more empowering than wearing a burqa. Both are geared up to the needs and wants of men.

If there are in tears over it, they need to grow some kind of backbone. Crying over not being able to wear a skirt to school - is that is. They can wear a skirt at any other point in their own time. It's hardly a tragedy.

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In your line of sight? How tall are you?!

TiredOldHen · 07/09/2026 22:43

As I drop my sons off for school, in the height of winter I see girls coming to school in skirts that barely cover their knickers, bare legs and often no coats. I imagine there is a lot of social pressure to dress this way as nothing else would explain such stupidity when it is actually snowing.

i think making them all wear trousers is an excellent idea. It also means neither the girls, their teachers or the girl’s parents will waste their time and energy obsessing about the lengths of skirts and perhaps can focus instead on actual lessons.

i don’t care about expressing individuality, this isn’t a fashion show. I they can strut their stuff in their best clothes outside school. The whole point of a school uniform is to make what a child actually wears a non issue.

Black trousers are very forgiving in hiding any bleeds. They can also be bought pretty much anywhere in whatever style, size or fabric the pupil prefers.

PollyNomial · 07/09/2026 22:37

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 07/09/2026 22:27

When the school changes the rules for only the girls, and does so in a way that costs girls' families money and gets girls punished whilst the boys are completely unaffected, that's sex discrimination on the part of the school.

It could been avoided with a phased transition for existing girl pupils.

Edited

If the accounts mentioned earlier are reasonably accurate, then doubtless (awkward parents of) boys will now stop complaining about the sexism of the school letting the girls not follow the uniform rules when the boys had no choice...

(And I thought the T word was verboten here!)

Unwantedmaleopinion · 07/09/2026 22:29

jumpingjohnny · 07/09/2026 22:24

Probably because the new legislation means schools cannot require too much branded uniform, and trousers can be bought anywhere. Skorts are hard to come by. Sports skorts are possible, but not school uniform style skorts.

Thank you for your reply that makes sense but in my local town there is a bespoke school uniform shop supplying the blazers and sports kit for local schools. This I am sure could easily be solved so girls can have a choice. Although it is owned and run by a man

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 07/09/2026 22:27

PollyNomial · 07/09/2026 22:21

These days parents often have to sign a behaviour contract with the school saying they will ensure their children follow the school rules, which in this country usually includes a uniform policy. (Whether it should include such a policy is different question which I have a lot of sympathy about.)

If the parents decide to break that contract on behalf of their children, they know what the consequences will be and it's on them, not their daughters or the school. That behaviour is just pure idiocy on the parents part to think that the rules they signed up to magically don't apply to them or their children.

When the school changes the rules for only the girls, and does so in a way that costs girls' families money and gets girls punished whilst the boys are completely unaffected, that's sex discrimination on the part of the school.

It could been avoided with a phased transition for existing girl pupils.

BananaPeels · 07/09/2026 22:26

jumpingjohnny · 07/09/2026 22:24

Probably because the new legislation means schools cannot require too much branded uniform, and trousers can be bought anywhere. Skorts are hard to come by. Sports skorts are possible, but not school uniform style skorts.

M&S do one for £12. I’d say that was pretty easy to come by

WearyAuldWumman · 07/09/2026 22:25

BananaPeels · 07/09/2026 22:02

Girls get home for wearing trousers that are too tight all the time. Are they going to be accused of ‘looking’ too?

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At one point, the SLT at the school where I worked would indeed send girls home. Latterly, they would not for fear of accusations being made.

Provided the clothing was black, as required by the school uniform policy, the SLT chickened out of sending girls home.

I'm no longer teaching, but there has been a flurry of secondary school posts on local social media the past couple of weeks here and in many of the photographs girls are wearing what can only be described as tight micro-mini skirts. At least they're wearing them with black tights, however.

I'll add that I'm seeing girls going home from the local high school wearing similar skirts and boys wearing black shorts (though possibly they've had P.E. at the end of the day).

OtterlyAstounding · 07/09/2026 22:24

BabblingBiddy · 07/09/2026 22:21

Some of the arguments are definitely ridiculous. But I'm not sure that they've changed from one singular option to a different singular option. I assumed (maybe wrongly) that girls previously had the choice of trousers or skirts? So they have removed an option.
I guess "smart" is up for interpretation. The trousers we wore in the 90s wouldn't be allowed in the schools here these days, despite being classed as "smart trousers" back then.

Ah, I assumed it was only skirts before, so you could be right, and they're removing an option. I think calf length skirts or culottes being allowed seems like a good compromise.

jumpingjohnny · 07/09/2026 22:24

Unwantedmaleopinion · 07/09/2026 22:22

If this is only about girls rolling their skirts up why are Skorts not the first option rather than trousers? Or Skorts or trousers as a choice.

I live and work in this area and there are more around me thinking it’s not just to protect the girls or teachers and is an erosion of freedom of choice for girls who are allowed to have a choice by their families.

Probably because the new legislation means schools cannot require too much branded uniform, and trousers can be bought anywhere. Skorts are hard to come by. Sports skorts are possible, but not school uniform style skorts.

jumpingjohnny · 07/09/2026 22:22

BananaPeels · 07/09/2026 22:15

The fact that you say that like it’s a good thing just worries me about the future

The fact you are arguing for girls to show off their bum cheeks at school, or risk teachers being accused of heinous acts just for doing their jobs, worries me!

I very much doubt there is a single adult working in a secondary school today that doesn't understand this uniform rule, even if they wish there could be options, they completely understand why it has come to this.

Unwantedmaleopinion · 07/09/2026 22:22

If this is only about girls rolling their skirts up why are Skorts not the first option rather than trousers? Or Skorts or trousers as a choice.

I live and work in this area and there are more around me thinking it’s not just to protect the girls or teachers and is an erosion of freedom of choice for girls who are allowed to have a choice by their families.

BabblingBiddy · 07/09/2026 22:21

OtterlyAstounding · 07/09/2026 22:12

Yes, I'm surprised that people who undoubtedly wear trousers on a regular basis are being angered at having to wear trousers as part of their school uniform. It's weird to be angry that you have to wear something you most likely already wear?

I'm also surprised by many of the reasons for protesting - that girls will faint, that girls can't wear trousers, that they're being made to look like boys, that they're not flattering...they're not exactly feminist (or rational) arguments. About the only argument that makes sense is that parents who have just bought school skirts shouldn't have to spend more money.

And they're not having an option removed so much as going from one singular option to a different singular option. They have as many options as the boys do.

A pp said the uniform just mandated 'smart black trousers', so girls have the option of multiples retail styles and fits - I'm sure they'll be able to find something cheaply priced that both fits them, and the uniform policy.

Some of the arguments are definitely ridiculous. But I'm not sure that they've changed from one singular option to a different singular option. I assumed (maybe wrongly) that girls previously had the choice of trousers or skirts? So they have removed an option.
I guess "smart" is up for interpretation. The trousers we wore in the 90s wouldn't be allowed in the schools here these days, despite being classed as "smart trousers" back then.

PollyNomial · 07/09/2026 22:21

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 07/09/2026 22:13

Once more for the slow readers:

The parents decided not to buy trousers, yet the girls are being punished.

This, and the school's money-wasting insistence that parents of existing female pupils replace last year's skirt that still fits with brand new trousers, which the year elevens will wear for just one year, are the real problems here.

This is sex discrimination. The parents of girls are taking a punch to the wallet that the parents of boys do not take. Girls alone are being punished for a rule change that their parents decide whether they can comply with.

These days parents often have to sign a behaviour contract with the school saying they will ensure their children follow the school rules, which in this country usually includes a uniform policy. (Whether it should include such a policy is different question which I have a lot of sympathy about.)

If the parents decide to break that contract on behalf of their children, they know what the consequences will be and it's on them, not their daughters or the school. That behaviour is just pure idiocy on the parents part to think that the rules they signed up to magically don't apply to them or their children.

fashionqueen0123 · 07/09/2026 22:19

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 07/09/2026 22:13

Once more for the slow readers:

The parents decided not to buy trousers, yet the girls are being punished.

This, and the school's money-wasting insistence that parents of existing female pupils replace last year's skirt that still fits with brand new trousers, which the year elevens will wear for just one year, are the real problems here.

This is sex discrimination. The parents of girls are taking a punch to the wallet that the parents of boys do not take. Girls alone are being punished for a rule change that their parents decide whether they can comply with.

Yes I wouldn’t be buying new for year 11!

fashionqueen0123 · 07/09/2026 22:18

jumpingjohnny · 07/09/2026 21:28

Why is modesty considered negative? Some places you need to dress modestly. Work and school are some of those places.

It is not a sex discrimination thing. Boys aren't allowed to show their pants either in low trousers. And in most secondary schools boys aren't allowed to wear shorts!

Girls could wear shorts under. All the teen girls I know do. The skirts weren’t the issue. It was someone looking upstairs and blaming girls.

OtterlyAstounding · 07/09/2026 22:17

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 07/09/2026 22:13

Once more for the slow readers:

The parents decided not to buy trousers, yet the girls are being punished.

This, and the school's money-wasting insistence that parents of existing female pupils replace last year's skirt that still fits with brand new trousers, which the year elevens will wear for just one year, are the real problems here.

This is sex discrimination. The parents of girls are taking a punch to the wallet that the parents of boys do not take. Girls alone are being punished for a rule change that their parents decide whether they can comply with.

Yes, I do agree with this. Phasing the skirts out (if they can't refund the parents - unlikely!) over the next two years might be the most sensible move.

Although interestingly, at most schools where I live, the girls' uniform is more expensive than the boys' (if they don't have the option of trousers) as the skirts are usually nearly twice the price of trousers, so sex discrimination is built in. I'm not sure if that's the case in the UK though?

BananaPeels · 07/09/2026 22:15

jumpingjohnny · 07/09/2026 22:14

That's kind of the point....
Teachers/school staff are not allowed to deal with the problem. So they are removing the problem. Problem solved!

The fact that you say that like it’s a good thing just worries me about the future