Parkrun comments giving me the rage

That's great for you. Do not presume to make that choice on behalf of other women whose choices have been removed to pander to men.

Her feelings do matter - I'm really keen to have conversations about women's running with fellow runners. Like I said upthread, I'm really passionate about getting women into sport and actually campaigned for pregnancy deferrals for our local half marathon. What I'm frustrated about is arguing about inclusion and exclusion with people who aren't passionate about the sport, but rather at making life a bit more unpleasant for trans people, in ways that women runners are not asking for.

Just because it doesn’t matter to you doesn’t mean that other women shouldn’t get a fair classification category if it does matter to them.

What about the womn who was 10th? Or do her feelings not matter? Long as the males are happy. Am I right?

TBH I wouldn't care about it that much either. I would be annoyed if they removed the age/sex categories because I want to compare myself to others in my age group. If an obvious transwoman beat me I would just consider myself a place above my actual finishing place.

It's not a hill I would die on. It's not like there's medals or prize money.

Right, but I do that. I came 8th woman today, and first in my age category. If I was 9th, behind a trans woman, it wouldn't have mattered to me.

Right, but I do that. I came 8th woman today, and first in my age category. If I was 9th, behind a trans woman, it wouldn't have mattered to me.

A woman’s category and an open category would cover everyone, surely? So why not do it like that?

Do you want a women's category that includes trans men?

Right, but I do that. I came 8th woman today, and first in my age category. If I was 9th, behind a trans woman, it wouldn't have mattered to me.

Right, but I do that. I came 8th woman today, and first in my age category. If I was 9th, behind a trans woman, it wouldn't have mattered to me.

She doesn't want to? And it would be an odd move, given that she lives as a woman (and one who passes at that, although that's a whole topic for another day). I know you feel that's unfair, but speaking as a runner and a cis woman (I know that puts people's backs up, sorry!) I disagree.

She doesn't want to? And it would be an odd move, given that she lives as a woman (and one who passes at that, although that's a whole topic for another day). I know you feel that's unfair, but speaking as a runner and a cis woman (I know that puts people's backs up, sorry!) I disagree.

So what about the women who want to compare their times against other women...?

....oh yeah... they're actual women, so they matter less than men.

I used to think, before this whole trans thing blew up, that we were well on our way to equality. Now I know that women remain the support sex, forever in second place. It makes me so bloody angry.

I'm going to suggest that it's much more on the shoulders of Sharron Davies, the WSU and the women on this thread who are pushing for this. I don't think trans people or their allies are asking for the removal of these categories! It works pretty well for me, as I said up top

So what about the women who want to compare their times against other women...?

....oh yeah... they're actual women, so they matter less than men.

I used to think, before this whole trans thing blew up, that we were well on our way to equality. Now I know that women remain the support sex, forever in second place. It makes me so bloody angry.

Do you want a women's category that includes trans men?

She doesn't want to? And it would be an odd move, given that she lives as a woman (and one who passes at that, although that's a whole topic for another day). I know you feel that's unfair, but speaking as a runner and a cis woman (I know that puts people's backs up, sorry!) I disagree.

Well plenty of women don't want a woman’s category that includes men. And why should they?

She doesn't want to? And it would be an odd move, given that she lives as a woman (and one who passes at that, although that's a whole topic for another day). I know you feel that's unfair, but speaking as a runner and a cis woman (I know that puts people's backs up, sorry!) I disagree.

The point is that men (males) have access to fair statistics and female people do not.

It is not fair or equitable and affects the many women who DO care. Why are their opinions and feelings dismissed?