Parkrun comments giving me the rage

None the less. Parkrun is a charity that exists to provide people with a free weekly run. It has 300,000 volunteers and about 70 employees. Giving such an organisation a headwind sucks. (Many of those people will be women, of course.)

Don't seek for equality women, you're responsible for the consequences of behaviours from men if they're provoked, or in causing the whole thing to be enough trouble that everyone loses it.

Just suck it up quietly like good girls, let men take what they want from you, and put others before yourself, despite your legal rights (which in this case exist on paper only, not in practice,)

I'm as GC as it's possible to be but even I can see why Gender is the least bothersome way to collect this data and I find it really hard to believe that sex data which is real is less legally problematic that gender data which is made up.

As always with these things if you're a volunteer and there are people on your back, the easiest thing to do is walk away. If parkrun becomes legally problematic, they won't start charging entry fees and hiring lawyers, they'll just fold.

As for why not solve it by choosing sex over gender. I'd be happy with that but I suspect the problem is right now when a man selects female as gender anyone who cares can just think "Well gender means nothing so it's not ideal but he's not actually lying or cheating." sex is real a therefore a little harder to turn a blind eye to. Mind you, nobody cares about age so maybe lying about sex doesn't matter either.

The volunteers don’t set policy.

So how about they solve it by pleasing 50% of the population rather than a tiny minority of aggressive men? Oh, and grouping by sex rather than gender would be following the law as well.

A few volunteers put on free group runs for people, amd you want to see them sued over an issue where they can't ever please everyone.

This is one more reason why nobody volunteers any more. Shortage of guide and brownie opportunities (2000 person waiting list in my area), food banks, youth clubs of all kind, environmental conservation, community transport, trusteeship, reading/tutoring programmes, animal welfare. Anything you can name there aren't enough volunteers and we all lose out.

I don’t see any reason why individuals couldn’t still be told where they are graded and placed in relation to their sex (knowing that sex means sex) without having to publish the full results. That would also reflect Parkrun’s claim that it isn’t competitive and people are just aiming to improve their own times and standings.

And who gave you the right decide for all the other women? It might matter a lot to some of them.

So male people running as women would be optimistically age graded (as the metric their grade is based on is for female runners) while female people running as men would be graded more pessimistically. Basically they’re blowing smoke up the arses of some special men.

Its this.

All parkrun need to say is that they collect sex for comparison and to ensure that the events reach both men and women.

Those who dont want their sex to be published or used can click 'prefer not to say'. Its not outing anyone.

If they want to demonstrate that they reach trans people, they should ask a separate question.

I think that where that fall down (although this isn’t necessarily anything to do with EA2010) is they say “parkrun age grade values are based on established, international proxy metrics, which are currently only available for male and female categories.” Presumably these are based on sex. So male people running as women would be optimistically age graded (as the metric their grade is based on is for female runners) while female people running as men would be graded more pessimistically. Basically they’re blowing smoke up the arses of some special men. Quelle surprise.

If they use the words female, girl and women, those are sex categories.

But I am all for this being tested in court. I doubt that parkrun will win.

I think you're guessing in your first paragraph. Re your second paragraph they studiously avoid publishing results under a sex category. Sex means something, they use gender which means nothing (or everything, which is the same.)

I think that it might skew the statistics used for the percentage grade, however?

I'm involved in running for health reasons and my own satisfaction. I'm aiming to improve my percentage grade in order to give myself an idea of how well I'm doing.

Then they should not publish anything that is based on that category. The only first finisher or places should be unisex.

I would suggest a policy stating that any category using the term female or woman or girl is for female athletes of female biological sex would be a good start. Just like any organisation who provides provisions or services that are described using the words for female people.

Or they remove any publishing of results under a sex category. It is up to them.

I’m not sure whether/how they aren’t complying tbh. They aren’t offering anything or excluding anyone on the basis of sex. It’s just a category. Albeit an inaccurate one.

What would they need to do to comply with EA2010?

I have yet to see a definition of gender that was universally accepted, far less understood; apart from any other consideration, which of the 365+ genders are we talking about?

I wouldn’t worry too much about what ‘islamweb’ has to say.

https://www.leeds.ac.uk/news-alumni/news/article/5019/namrah-shahid-changing-the-story-with-hijabi-runners

Let’s cut through the emotional reasoning here.

The current way that parkrun is organised is likely to not be in compliance with the EA2010. It is completely irrelevant if some people are ok with allowing just a bit of negative illegitimate sex discrimination if the organisation is found to not comply to the law. Should other organisations who are doing good things be allowed to not follow laws because some people support them not to comply with the law?

What is the definition of gender that everyone understands?

Is it clear to everyone to enters male or female on their record that they are comparing themselves to people with the same 'gender'?

Has anyone given a thought to how religion also interferes with women's rights? And imagine trying to get a compeditive time when you are swathed in linen.

Ruling on joining mixed color run

I think you are passionate about inclusion. I don’t agree that you are passionate about protecting female sports categories.

How many female athletes are acceptable to be harmed in any way before you support protecting female sports categories at all levels?. Even grassroots.

Your ideal of inclusion is contradictory to protecting female sports categories.

And 'you've never met a man with a gender identity'.

But surely this is a different opinion that no women here who cares about women's rights has ever heard or thought of before?