Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez declares 'Woke was crazy'

I realise this is in feminism, but this is a much bigger issue for me

This kind of cements my feeling that a lot of people just promote this kind of thing for the grift. They don’t care how much damage it’s doing. They don’t care how divided society is. It’s actually incredibly sinister.

although maybe I should focus on being relieved that people don’t really think like this. No wonder so many of us feel gaslit into oblivion.

Does that tell us anything about the mood music in advance of the midterms?

This is like if David Cameron came out and said "austerity was crazy!" or if Tony Blair were to say "the war on terror was crazy!".

Yes, they want to focus on what they perceive as economic socialism rather than on the woke cultural agenda because they have seen how well it has worked out for Mamdani in New york.

I think we can feel both. I know I do. My mum thinks Lisa Nandy is great and can't understand why I hold her in such contempt over one issue - but to me, declaring an obvious impossibility (TWAW) and refusing to acknowledge any negative effects means she's a liar, a craven handmaiden or thick as mince. Or a combo.

The great Sall Grover put it best.

That's how it's presented but under the surface much if the loony stuff remains, as far as the adherents are concerned. The Woke 1 promoters, whether the true believers or the cynical opportunists like AOC, are looking for a new home and they're hoping to find it in the DSA movement.

Ruthlessly ambitious politician.

Prepared to adopt any stance that will get her elected.

…..just like David Lamy, Keir Starmer et al

Well as long as Trump temporarily 'cancelled' trans people who cares if he crashed the globe!….🤡

I'm not sure how this comment relates to the content of my post?

I agree! They haven't really changed their spots; they are just looking for a newer and maybe more palatable costume.

Woah, that scenario was always there. The kkk predated Kamala Harris by quite some time, they assassinate their (Democrat) presidents, they have separatist militia camped out in woods, there is lots that is awesome about the US, BUT they sure do bring the crazy and a whole lot of right wing crazy and you cannot blame woke for that without sounding just about as crazy.

I'm not blaming anyone, I'm offering an overview of the situation as it is now. The one that has led Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to suggest that positions she previously promoted she now finds a bit "crazy".

To my mind the sensible position to take is that even though AOC and her fellow travellers are strongly opposed to Trump, it doesn't mean they can't be criticised, especially when they have a track record of more than a decade of promoting utterly bonkers ideas. And, if there's a sustained change in the way the wind is blowing, are going to try to gaslight us into believing they never actually promoted.

American here. This is a big part of it. Woke 1 clearly put Trump into office. The problem is that Woke 2/the DSA agenda is likely to be just as repellent to mainstream voters and is even more extreme (abolishing the Senate, eliminating the direct election of the president, limiting the Supreme Court's powers, etc.).

The most interesting thing to me is that Woke 2, presented as it is in terms of a fairness for all economic agenda, has very strong support among the downwardly mobile university educated privileged class. They're a decently sized group and are as high propensity for voting as activated Trump voters.

I've just re-read this
"According to the latest results from the five years up to the pandemic, 75,958 eggs were subjected to thawing after freezing. Of these—I will round up the figures for speed—13,000 thawed, 11,400 were fertilised, 7,257 produced an embryo, 1,695 were considered suitable for an embryo transfer, 288 of the women got pregnant after transfer, 205 gave birth, and 80 pregnancies were lost as a result of miscarriage."

1,695 embryos were considered suitable, but it doesn't say how many women in total. There’ll usually be more than 1 suitable embryo per woman after each fertilisation run, am I right? So we don't know from these figures the % of successful transfer. Have I got that wrong?

My U.S friend tells me they want to totally re-write the constitution...is this correct?

She was a barista who became a CW. Is she not allowed to develop politically and professionally and learn and grow from her beginning?

Indeed, though maybe acceptable if you are desperate. I agree with the original premise that the % of successful outcomes is not adequately and clearly stated, but starting with a figure of 76,000 and taking that down to 200-odd births is also misleading. You can argue that 1.7% of eggs thawed becoming a baby is an ethical issue, but that isn't what's going to be uppermost in the minds of the women trying to get pregnant.

I also wonder to what extent the 28% miscarriages (80 from 288 pregnancies - yes, very high) is discussed with the women considering this route. It could even be a matter of policy to discuss rather than publish

Yes, it is correct. While the constitution can be amended, it’s very difficult to do.

I really like her but "She was a barista who became a CW" is a misrepresentation of who and what she is.

Her dad was an architect. They have an apartment in NY and a second home isn Westchester County.

She went to Boston College.

She interned for Kennedy.

She is very clearly a hard worker, and smart to boot, but a poor inner city girl she was not.