Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez declares 'Woke was crazy'

I think we can feel both. I know I do. My mum thinks Lisa Nandy is great and can't understand why I hold her in such contempt over one issue - but to me, declaring an obvious impossibility (TWAW) and refusing to acknowledge any negative effects means she's a liar, a craven handmaiden or thick as mince. Or a combo.

The great Sall Grover put it best.

Yes, they want to focus on what they perceive as economic socialism rather than on the woke cultural agenda because they have seen how well it has worked out for Mamdani in New york.

This is like if David Cameron came out and said "austerity was crazy!" or if Tony Blair were to say "the war on terror was crazy!".

Does that tell us anything about the mood music in advance of the midterms?

I realise this is in feminism, but this is a much bigger issue for me

This kind of cements my feeling that a lot of people just promote this kind of thing for the grift. They don’t care how much damage it’s doing. They don’t care how divided society is. It’s actually incredibly sinister.

although maybe I should focus on being relieved that people don’t really think like this. No wonder so many of us feel gaslit into oblivion.

I suspect they are riding the Zhoran Mamdani gravy train becaue it has had results in New York city. He focuses on more of an economic socialism than a 'woke' cultural agenda.

Americans don't really have a history or foundation in the sorts of socialist politics which have been around in Europe for a long time. They don't really get it. Instead they invented Intersectionalism and Critical Race Theory and this became the progressive wokism we all know and love 😆

Do we remember that guy employed by the Democrat government who claimed a 'non-binary' identity and who stole women's suitcases at airports in order to wear the contents?

The scenario you describe in the United States came about because of extreme over-reach and general ludicrousness emanating from the what is now termed the american 'progressive' 'Left'. That Kamala Harris ran for president vowing that the state would pay for the 'gender transitions' of violent men in U.S prisons and then place them in womens jails. That professors at numerous U.S universities were targeted and hounded for years ( Peter Boghassian, for exampel). That Democrat senators claimed that "no-one could know what a woman was" without a medical degree ( and even those with medical degrees claimed not to know either)

That Trump has simply reversed the gears doesn't say anything meaningful about that fact, nor does it point to the way forward.

For every A'OC snowflake "transwomen are women" moment, there are right-wing meltdowns about Rachel Zegler saying that it is wrong to have a story about a 14-year-old girl being seen as a hero for waiting for a man to save her.

A'OC - Like DJT cares only about herself and will just use and discard any cause that boosts her profile.

But it is interesting to see Dems rolling back from 'woke'.

I’m not sure the Dems are rolling back from woke? At least, many younger Republicans ones are openly more ‘socialist’ but not sure what that really means to them. @nauticant is this what you mean by democratic socialists? God help America if it means those jazz hand waving conference goers.

We're going to have to be gracious about it , otherwise they'll be trading vitriol from the trans activists for scorn from us. It does grate , cos any politician who said TWAW, was either a lying coward, stupid or venal .

This was also my immediate thought. This was only a few years ago. Is she really that much a victim of fashions and fads? Is that how poorly founded her ideas are?

Ooh, you mean ol’ witch! 🧙

I trusted you and now my feet are cut to ribbons.
I say, ribbons! 😩

The extreme 'woke' left, the 'woke' right…I would say two sides of the same coin but only one of them is targeting people with FBI investigations, weaponising law fare, using billionaire funds to primary congressional dissenters, sacking university leaders for not being 'pro Israel' enough & deporting people for free speech.

And holding AOC responsible for the extreme fringe of the left smells like more political targeting than any concern about freedom of speech.

Agree.

One thing to understand about AOC and many of the newer prominent figures of the US Left is that it's important to look behind their self-mythologising and see that for all their claims of a poor/blue collar upbringing many of them come from the comfortable middle class if not the privileged wealthy.

She argued passionately for "Sarah" (Tim) McBride to be allowed into the Ladies in Congress (keeping him out was "gross", she said) and certainly hasn't disavowed boys in girls' sports.

Hope she gets some nice direct questions to pin it all down.

My reading between the lines is that US progressives have shifted their agenda and Woke 2 is coming (in the form of the Democratic Socialists of America) and this time they're hoping to win the game having learned from their mistakes.

What exacty does she regret?

https://www.sanjuandailystar.com/post/a-question-for-the-formerly-woke-what-exactly-do-you-regret

If you can dismiss it so casually now — all the defunding and abolishing, the BIPOCing and Latinxing, the canceling and decentering and my truthing — how much of it did you truly believe at the time? How much was conviction, how much was a pose, how much was groupthink, how much was fear?

If you did believe it, jettisoning it now should take something more than a sheepish grin. If you didn’t believe it and yet declared it with such passion, with such pretensions to moral clarity, with such disdain for contrary perspectives, then the least you can do now is acknowledge that dissonance. You should explain the shift, not just explain it away.

@ArabellaScott
And a damned shame too
America be no longer united,
Not that it ever really was

I suspect she is just referring to the 'De-Fund The Police' and 'close all prisons' side of things.

She pretended to have been handcuffed by the police.

I can barely type that sentence without my toes damn near snapping off out of sheer embarrassment.

Aah! 😩

No, please, singthing, tell us what you really think😁

I'm with you on this. Shameless reverse ferreting. I felt really angry when I saw this - like she thinks the damage that her and her fellow-'allies' did can be laughed off as a youthful indiscretion.

But it also makes you wonder what other policies she was elected on will be laughed off as Woke 1.0.

Her green policy - maybe she'll laugh off her commitment to decarbonisation? net zero by 2030?

What about opposing the criminalisation of sex work? 'Ending verbal assaults against women'?

Was she being Woke1.0 crazy every time her website refers to trans women as women?

Her voters deserve to know what will be consigned to the bin of Woke 1.0 next.

That old song about the Vicar of Bray and Religion 1.0 comes to mind:

For in my faith and loyalty
I never more will falter,
And George my lawful king shall be
--- until the times do alter.