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Reality Rules Parkrun Launch 3 October 2026

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IwantToRetire · 31/08/2026 00:48

Today was another Parkrun Saturday and like every weekend the achievements by women was demoted by men running in the female category.

We are hoping to change this! In only a few weeks time, we will debut Reality Rules Runners UK at Parkrun. We hope that many hundreds (hopefully thousands) of you will join us to send a clear and strong statement to Parkrun about the huge support there is for fairness and sex-based categories at their events.

All sports events are responsible for putting on fair events. This includes free, volunteer run, community events like Parkrun.

So please tell people about Reality Rules Runners UK, as we are hoping to attract lots more supporters before our debut at Parkrun on 3 October.

Thank you! 🙏

https://realityrulesrunnersuk.substack.com/p/another-parkrun-down-only-a-few-weeks

Came across this by chance, so dont know more than this!

They are also on X for anyone on X https://x.com/RRRunnersUK

Another Parkrun down, only a few weeks to go

Today was another Parkrun Saturday and like every weekend the achievements by women was demoted by men running in the female category.

https://realityrulesrunnersuk.substack.com/p/another-parkrun-down-only-a-few-weeks

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NotBadConsidering · 03/09/2026 11:07

Lisanne55 · 03/09/2026 08:23

I agree. My point is that parkrun times don't officially count anywhere. People can be, and are, competitive at parkrun, but ultimately its meaningless really.

But it’s not meaningless. There are frequently media stories about Parkrun feats. Fastest result. Fastest man. Fastest woman. Fastest child. Fastest old person. Celebrities doing Parkrun. It generates media. It generates publicity for Parkrun. Parkrun is big enough on its own to mean something for its own sake. Saying “it’s meaningless” is like saying the European championship 5000m is meaningless.

Doowoddy · 03/09/2026 10:57

SadiraOfTyr · 03/09/2026 10:51

That Is not what is being proposed and would open up ParkRun and the volunteers who turn up every Saturday to a lot of potential risk. It would also be impossible: ParkRun doesn’t use race numbers so how would you even identify someone who was cheating?

What is being proposed is simply a rule change and setting the expectation that the rules will be honoured. All of ParkRun works on the honour system.

Thanks for the clarification, I've been over thinking how it can 'work' but you're totally right.

SadiraOfTyr · 03/09/2026 10:53

TheKeatingFive · 03/09/2026 08:55

The other thing that’s very telling in this discussion is this idea that it would be a shame if such a positive venture was ruined.

With the onus on women to StFU and not ‘ruin’ it.

But it’s management that are ruining it in the first place by not enforcing fair rules. And cheating men who want to take things that should be for women.

Can we hold the right people accountable please?

It shouldn’t always be expected that women shut up and put up for the ‘greater good’? 🙄

The complaint is that ParkRun are not setting fair rules, not that they are not enforcing them. There is no means to enforce rules - it’s an honour system.

SadiraOfTyr · 03/09/2026 10:51

Doowoddy · 03/09/2026 10:28

All that needs to happen is when a man is observed cheating it can be reported by any parkrunner and their results will be deleted. They can still run, they don't need to be stopped from running or finishing, it only matters when the data is shown to be inaccurate that it is changed.
They won't mind as it's just a fun run.

That Is not what is being proposed and would open up ParkRun and the volunteers who turn up every Saturday to a lot of potential risk. It would also be impossible: ParkRun doesn’t use race numbers so how would you even identify someone who was cheating?

What is being proposed is simply a rule change and setting the expectation that the rules will be honoured. All of ParkRun works on the honour system.

SadiraOfTyr · 03/09/2026 10:44

ProtectTransLives · 02/09/2026 16:00

Parkrun is not competitive! All this would make sense in competitive sports but why the sudden focus on parkrun? Why can’t you just admit all this is based around transphobia? And if JKR has never piped up about all this you never would’ve thought about it, would you?

ParkRun is competitive - it’s a mass start event with timings and rankings. Yes, the majority of runners are just running against their own time, but the same is true of any mass start event - you wouldn’t claim that a marathon or Gran Fondo was non-competitive would you? Or a TT which isn’t even mass start?

The issue is very simple - it is not against ParkRun’s rules for men to register and run as women, and we think that is wrong.

Doowoddy · 03/09/2026 10:28

All that needs to happen is when a man is observed cheating it can be reported by any parkrunner and their results will be deleted. They can still run, they don't need to be stopped from running or finishing, it only matters when the data is shown to be inaccurate that it is changed.
They won't mind as it's just a fun run.

ChamonixMountainBum · 03/09/2026 10:20

iwishitwouldstartraining · 03/09/2026 09:38

I don’t think it’s even as though anyone is expecting much enforcement - just rules that signal that the stats they produce are as important to women as to men and that therefore it’s anti-social to submit inaccurate data.

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The current argument against this is 'how do you enforce this' usually with some nonsense about 'genital inspections'.

The problem we have across the board is that the social contract of 15-20 years ago has been broken. We did not need to have security outside of single sex spaces etc as everyone knew that men were not allowed in. Those men who tried could be called out by women and members of the public would be on hand to assist. Now men are emboldened to invade these spaces or push boundaries under the guise of 'be kind' and with the knowledge that there is a willing cohort of gender woo ideologues to protect them.

iwishitwouldstartraining · 03/09/2026 09:38

TheKeatingFive · 03/09/2026 08:55

The other thing that’s very telling in this discussion is this idea that it would be a shame if such a positive venture was ruined.

With the onus on women to StFU and not ‘ruin’ it.

But it’s management that are ruining it in the first place by not enforcing fair rules. And cheating men who want to take things that should be for women.

Can we hold the right people accountable please?

It shouldn’t always be expected that women shut up and put up for the ‘greater good’? 🙄

I don’t think it’s even as though anyone is expecting much enforcement - just rules that signal that the stats they produce are as important to women as to men and that therefore it’s anti-social to submit inaccurate data.

Mycatisfab · 03/09/2026 09:25

ChamonixMountainBum · 03/09/2026 07:36

Where is the facepalm emoji?

and here's the inability to see that you might be slow. but you're still competing , maybe to get from 200th to 100th place or competing in your age category which is a slow one. Just because you're slower doesn't meant it isn't a competion for a better placement amongst your peers. And it would be nice to there isn't a male in your groupng muddying up the stats .

ArabellaScott · 03/09/2026 09:00

It shouldn’t always be expected that women shut up and put up for the ‘greater good’?

All. The. Fucking. Time.

TheKeatingFive · 03/09/2026 08:55

The other thing that’s very telling in this discussion is this idea that it would be a shame if such a positive venture was ruined.

With the onus on women to StFU and not ‘ruin’ it.

But it’s management that are ruining it in the first place by not enforcing fair rules. And cheating men who want to take things that should be for women.

Can we hold the right people accountable please?

It shouldn’t always be expected that women shut up and put up for the ‘greater good’? 🙄

ArabellaScott · 03/09/2026 08:52

Lisanne55 · 03/09/2026 08:24

That's not my experience at all and I've been doing it for years. Parkruns vary. If you choose a smaller one - less than 200 runners - with a slower course, you'll be fine.

Oh, I'm sure I'd be fine. The question is whether I want to support an organisation that is anti women.

TheKeatingFive · 03/09/2026 08:48

Lisanne55 · 03/09/2026 08:23

I agree. My point is that parkrun times don't officially count anywhere. People can be, and are, competitive at parkrun, but ultimately its meaningless really.

But not meaningless enough to

Do away with the categories and placings altogether

Or tell males they can’t register as females.

It only seems to be ‘meaningless’ when women are looking for fair competition for themselves

Doowoddy · 03/09/2026 08:30

ArabellaScott · 03/09/2026 08:02

See, I'd have been interested in Parkrun as I need to get fitter and it seemed a nice way in.

Unfortunately this whole sneering at women thing has put me right off. I get the impression its full of laddish blokes and women are tolerated/dismissed/used as useful volunteers.

It can seem that way from these discussions, but it's not my experience as a fairly long term parkrunner who has done a decent bit of parkrun tourism. Half the people discussing it (on either side) sound like they don't attend.
There really is a mix of super speedy competitive runners (male and female), middling 30+ minute runner who are either maintaining or working on their speed, and slower runners/walkers who are either improving, maintaing, or socialising. It's a common joke at parkrun that you can run your heart out and be overtaken by an 80 year old, a 9 year old in paw patrol trainers, and somebody pushing twins in a double buggy. Respect goes in all directions (except for funnel duckers who everyone judges).

Lisanne55 · 03/09/2026 08:24

ArabellaScott · 03/09/2026 08:02

See, I'd have been interested in Parkrun as I need to get fitter and it seemed a nice way in.

Unfortunately this whole sneering at women thing has put me right off. I get the impression its full of laddish blokes and women are tolerated/dismissed/used as useful volunteers.

That's not my experience at all and I've been doing it for years. Parkruns vary. If you choose a smaller one - less than 200 runners - with a slower course, you'll be fine.

Lisanne55 · 03/09/2026 08:23

Helleofabore · 03/09/2026 06:55

Being ‘not official’ still doesn’t mean it is not competitive. It still doesn’t remove the onus of parkrun changing the policy to make the female category protected as per the law.

Nor does the amount of positive benefits to parkrun change the obligation to follow the EA 2010 guidance.

I agree. My point is that parkrun times don't officially count anywhere. People can be, and are, competitive at parkrun, but ultimately its meaningless really.

ArabellaScott · 03/09/2026 08:02

Lisanne55 · 03/09/2026 06:46

When I went for the first time I wasn't given the option of not signing up - I was just scanned in, directed to the starting area along with the 300-plus others, and off we all went.

This is not true. Anyone can turn up and run at parkrun - you do not have to sign up. You are not scanned in before the event starts - your barcode is scanned at the end. However, you can choose not to have a barcode.

I love parkrun. When I started, the categories were sex-based and I do think they should remain so or there should not be any categories at all. However, that would be a shame as it is nice to see how well you've done. As I get older, I tend to look at my age grade more because my times have slowed but my relative performance hasn't. FWIW the age grades are sex-based as they are based on world records.

In reality, all parkrun times are unofficial and, imo, there are various timing issues which affect slower runners. There are no records. Some people may call them that but they are not official. There are no prizes.

Parkrun is always at 9am on a Saturday, which allows you to compare your time in the same conditions on the same course. Yes, you could just time yourself, but it can be easy to miss the start when you are near the back of 600+ people and can't hear what is being said at the front. I've also forgotten my watch and stopped it halfway through by mistake amongst other errors.

Giving everyone a numbered finish token matches time to runner and makes it easier to publish results.

Parkrun isn't perfect, but the positives do far outweigh the negatives.

See, I'd have been interested in Parkrun as I need to get fitter and it seemed a nice way in.

Unfortunately this whole sneering at women thing has put me right off. I get the impression its full of laddish blokes and women are tolerated/dismissed/used as useful volunteers.

ChamonixMountainBum · 03/09/2026 07:36

PollyNomial · 02/09/2026 23:54

That the average is now much slower suggests the competitive element is greatly reduced.

Where is the facepalm emoji?

Helleofabore · 03/09/2026 06:55

Being ‘not official’ still doesn’t mean it is not competitive. It still doesn’t remove the onus of parkrun changing the policy to make the female category protected as per the law.

Nor does the amount of positive benefits to parkrun change the obligation to follow the EA 2010 guidance.

Lisanne55 · 03/09/2026 06:46

When I went for the first time I wasn't given the option of not signing up - I was just scanned in, directed to the starting area along with the 300-plus others, and off we all went.

This is not true. Anyone can turn up and run at parkrun - you do not have to sign up. You are not scanned in before the event starts - your barcode is scanned at the end. However, you can choose not to have a barcode.

I love parkrun. When I started, the categories were sex-based and I do think they should remain so or there should not be any categories at all. However, that would be a shame as it is nice to see how well you've done. As I get older, I tend to look at my age grade more because my times have slowed but my relative performance hasn't. FWIW the age grades are sex-based as they are based on world records.

In reality, all parkrun times are unofficial and, imo, there are various timing issues which affect slower runners. There are no records. Some people may call them that but they are not official. There are no prizes.

Parkrun is always at 9am on a Saturday, which allows you to compare your time in the same conditions on the same course. Yes, you could just time yourself, but it can be easy to miss the start when you are near the back of 600+ people and can't hear what is being said at the front. I've also forgotten my watch and stopped it halfway through by mistake amongst other errors.

Giving everyone a numbered finish token matches time to runner and makes it easier to publish results.

Parkrun isn't perfect, but the positives do far outweigh the negatives.

Helleofabore · 03/09/2026 04:46

Doowoddy · 03/09/2026 04:32

No, parkrun has exponentially grown since 2005 as well as adding walkers. The fast times are still very fast.
Honestly you could have looked that up before commenting.

That would require effort though.

Doowoddy · 03/09/2026 04:32

PollyNomial · 02/09/2026 23:54

That the average is now much slower suggests the competitive element is greatly reduced.

No, parkrun has exponentially grown since 2005 as well as adding walkers. The fast times are still very fast.
Honestly you could have looked that up before commenting.

Helleofabore · 03/09/2026 04:07

PollyNomial · 02/09/2026 23:54

That the average is now much slower suggests the competitive element is greatly reduced.

So what.

It is still very much there. The slower times can simply mean more slow walkers are coming. Doesn’t mean the runners are not still competitive and not still a majority of the attendees.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 03/09/2026 00:32

Ah, is this one of those times the "I don't care about X therefore no one gets to care about X" sideswerve gets rolled out?

Women's sports? "Oh, but really any competition is so gauche, we should all just participate for the joy of it"

Women's prisons? "Well prisons don't work anyway so I'm not going to get into whether women's prisons are worse for including men"

Women's toilets? "I don't want to share with anyone thank you very much, single enclosed rooms for everyone please"

Women's changing rooms? "I think we should all have individual lockable cubicles anyway"

Women's boxing "That's a barbaric sport, we should just ban it altogether"

And so on

PollyNomial · 02/09/2026 23:54

Doowoddy · 02/09/2026 21:22

The average finish time in 2005 was 22:17
The average finish time in 2020 was 32:30

The idea people were running 5k in 22:17 (average, so many running much faster that that!) non-competitively is laughable.

The whole 'fun run' idea is how it has evolved but you can't say that's what parkrun is.

That the average is now much slower suggests the competitive element is greatly reduced.