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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
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ArabellaScott · Today 10:54

Looks vulnerable and marginalised to me.

Incel banned from womens toilets and changing rooma
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ArabellaScott · Today 10:55

'A man with a history of unprovoked violence towards women who was described in court as a "self-proclaimed misogynist" has been given a sexual harm prevention order.

Gloucestershire Constabulary said Victor Valentine, from the St Paul's area of Cheltenham, posed a risk to women in the town and the order was a "preventative measure".

It bans the 29-year-old from using any device with access to the internet unless he notifies police and also prevents him entering or loitering near female public toilets or changing rooms.

As well as a history of violence, Gloucestershire Police said Valentine had persistently breached civil orders placed on him. He has not been convicted of any sexual offences.

Det Sgt Paul Howell from Gloucestershire Police's public protection unit said Valentine was "well-known for his misogynistic hostility and violence towards women".

He said the order would "reduce Valentine's ability to further explore his ideology and gives police the opportunity to monitor his behaviour in the community to help reduce his risk of further offending".'

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Cheese55 · Today 10:59

I wonder if this is in response to the other man who killed 2 women and assaulted countless others after the police downgraded his risk to minor.

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · Today 11:16

Well, he looks like a pleasant sort!

I wonder how he would have been treated, prosecuted, punished, and media-reported if he had identified as a woman?

(Actually, don't tell me, let me guess. This could take some serious contemplation. I could be a while...)

singthing · Today 11:24

I saw this poundshop Vigo the Carpathian described in comments elsewhere as "bald, with long hair", and I cackled!

(I am also relieved he has been prevented to some extent, not enough, but some)

ArabellaScott · Today 11:25

singthing · Today 11:24

I saw this poundshop Vigo the Carpathian described in comments elsewhere as "bald, with long hair", and I cackled!

(I am also relieved he has been prevented to some extent, not enough, but some)

Part of it will be making sure he is recognised so that women can avoid him.

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singthing · Today 11:30

Pretty sure I'd cross the street and then move to another town if I saw him in public, even if this hadn't been publicised. He looks malevolent to his core.

stopbeingnasty · Today 11:33

I've never seen someone look so evil!

PollyNomial · Today 11:47

singthing · Today 11:30

Pretty sure I'd cross the street and then move to another town if I saw him in public, even if this hadn't been publicised. He looks malevolent to his core.

Looks are not a reliable arbiter of intent, good or ill.

Some of the most prolific offenders coming to mind (like Epstein, Savile, Harris, al Fayed, ...) relied on their polished image to carry out their crimes.

By contrast, Christopher Jeffries was vilified in the tabloid media because he looked odd until, fortunately for the victim's family and himself, the police arrested the actual criminal.

ArabellaScott · Today 11:58

Evidence suggests women are better at identifying dark triad traits from faces.

Plus we learn to trust our instincts.

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Cheese55 · Today 11:59

PollyNomial · Today 11:47

Looks are not a reliable arbiter of intent, good or ill.

Some of the most prolific offenders coming to mind (like Epstein, Savile, Harris, al Fayed, ...) relied on their polished image to carry out their crimes.

By contrast, Christopher Jeffries was vilified in the tabloid media because he looked odd until, fortunately for the victim's family and himself, the police arrested the actual criminal.

I agee but Saville? Polished?

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SulkingInTheCatio · Today 12:02

I saw another article where the police said they were warning women to avoid him. I seriously doubt any woman needed to be warned by the police! One look at that is all it would take 🙈😂

paomara · Today 12:07

straight jacket and a lock up. Why should women have to avoid him, he should be taken in somewhere and treated for his psychiatric illnesses.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · Today 12:11

I would feel quite threatened if I lived near this man (which I expect he would find enjoyable). Dear god, what makes some men like this?

BackToLurk · Today 12:14

Cheese55 · Today 11:59

I agee but Saville? Polished?

That did leap out. Although lots of women at the time described at least some of the others as sleazy. Half the problem is that women weren’t (still aren’t) listened to.

newrubylane · Today 12:15

I'm local. Posts have appeared on local Facebook groups warning women to keep away from him. Many of the comments make it clear - humourously and otherwise - that he doesn't exactly look approachable. It hardly seems likely that this was what provoked the violence.

One person stated in comments that it was the police's job to keep him away from us, not the other way around.

I have mixed feelings on this. It's good that they're publicising that he poses a threat, but given that he has a history of breaching similar orders, locking him up would be more reassuring.

I feel particularly uncomfortable for women working in public facing roles who will have to deal with him in the course of their jobs. They've literally been warned to avoid him, but they can't.

DramaAndBullshit · Today 12:17

ArabellaScott · Today 10:54

Looks vulnerable and marginalised to me.

Oh that poor sweet poppet, we should all just smile at him and #BeKind.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · Today 12:22

DramaAndBullshit · Today 12:17

Oh that poor sweet poppet, we should all just smile at him and #BeKind.

Why are you staring at someone in the toilet? You’re probably making them uncomfortable when they just want to pee etc.

Cheese55 · Today 12:27

paomara · Today 12:07

straight jacket and a lock up. Why should women have to avoid him, he should be taken in somewhere and treated for his psychiatric illnesses.

Hating women (or being scared of them, I'm not sure with the incels), is not seen as a psychiatric illness

DramaAndBullshit · Today 12:31

BernardBlacksMolluscs · Today 12:22

Why are you staring at someone in the toilet? You’re probably making them uncomfortable when they just want to pee etc.

Oh my bad Blush

MrsOvertonsWindow · Today 12:37

newrubylane · Today 12:15

I'm local. Posts have appeared on local Facebook groups warning women to keep away from him. Many of the comments make it clear - humourously and otherwise - that he doesn't exactly look approachable. It hardly seems likely that this was what provoked the violence.

One person stated in comments that it was the police's job to keep him away from us, not the other way around.

I have mixed feelings on this. It's good that they're publicising that he poses a threat, but given that he has a history of breaching similar orders, locking him up would be more reassuring.

I feel particularly uncomfortable for women working in public facing roles who will have to deal with him in the course of their jobs. They've literally been warned to avoid him, but they can't.

This.
Has his previous behaviour that's prompted this not triggered previous prosecutions? And if not, why not?

Additup · Today 12:39

PollyNomial · Today 11:47

Looks are not a reliable arbiter of intent, good or ill.

Some of the most prolific offenders coming to mind (like Epstein, Savile, Harris, al Fayed, ...) relied on their polished image to carry out their crimes.

By contrast, Christopher Jeffries was vilified in the tabloid media because he looked odd until, fortunately for the victim's family and himself, the police arrested the actual criminal.

I agree, looks alone are not a reliable arbiter of intent but as soon as you're in the presence of someone rather than looking at a photo then the way they look combined with the way they behave and the way they make you feel is a very reliable arbiter of intent IMO.

PollyNomial · Today 12:40

Cheese55 · Today 11:59

I agee but Saville? Polished?

Polished/managed/curated: certainly not made out to be a monster because of his image at the time.

PollyNomial · Today 12:41

Additup · Today 12:39

I agree, looks alone are not a reliable arbiter of intent but as soon as you're in the presence of someone rather than looking at a photo then the way they look combined with the way they behave and the way they make you feel is a very reliable arbiter of intent IMO.

Behaviour is the problem; image tells you very little. Lots of high profile offenders have immaculate public images but behave despicably.

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