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Australian womens rights activists recieve death threats in the lead up to a Sydney Womens rights rally

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Manyanamanyana · 20/08/2026 23:43

Sal Grover and Kirralee Smith, both recently fined ($100k and $95k) for misgendering men imposing on womens spaces, have recieved death threats from a range of transactivist organisations. Sal Grover, a single Mum, has pulled out. I don't blame her one bit. It is sickening that women exercising free speech in this country are subject to this bull sh*t. Kirralee has decided to proceed and both are Warriors. Let Women Speak events in Australia require (and tbf, recieve) considerable police presence in order to defend these (usually middle-aged) women from the "be kind" crowd, who have in the past been violent and are always abusive and disruptive. What Government boasts about having sex-parity with the party, and yet sides with Men who behave like this towards women asking for their rights? All of them, actually. In Australia our sex discrimination act was altered beneath the radar to remove the definition of women and men, and elevate gender identity, meaning that a man who identifies as a woman is for all purposes, a woman in law. This is what Sal and Kirralee are fighting for: a repeal of the changes. Our Prime Minister and his tribe of handmaidens call this a culture war. It is in fact a war on womanhood.
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Gretel346 · 23/08/2026 01:35

legalalien · 23/08/2026 01:08

Having just moved to Australia from the UK I'm absolutely astonished at how unaware most Australians are about the issues that gender ideology raises and about the court cases that have been going on in either country. Practically no-one I have spoken to about Tickle v Giggle has ever heard of it and once it's explained they cannot believe the decisions that have been made. And that's from a group including a number of practising lawyers... there is much much less coverage of this in the Australian media than there is in the UK. I haven't yet worked out what the social implications of declaring myself gender critical might be, but I guess I will soon find out. Having found this thread I've decided to go to the rally today so had better get my skates on... feel a bit awkward turning up and knowing no-one though!

I've always found women to be 'cagey' when talking politics whether that be friends, colleagues or even family. I suspect its related to their well founded concerns about 'rocking the boat' & how that will affect their relationships so its no surprise to me when they 'play dumb' as I often do the same. We tend to be more prudent than men about these types of things & maybe that's because we are less likely to get past political differences than they are.

Recently a long term friend suggested that a far right political crank was 'talking sense' I just nodded quietly. But truth be told I was thoroughly disgusted & can't get past it. I'm still civil with her but have withdrawn my easy accessibility with excuses.

We Aussies tend to be more easy going & as such like to avoid conflict so perhaps that's why you aren't getting the 'engagement' you are used to particularly in 'lawyer' circles which can have a profound effect on one's career.

moto748e · 23/08/2026 01:31

To be clear, I wasn't talking about the Nazis! 😁

moto748e · 23/08/2026 01:30

legalalien · 23/08/2026 01:08

Having just moved to Australia from the UK I'm absolutely astonished at how unaware most Australians are about the issues that gender ideology raises and about the court cases that have been going on in either country. Practically no-one I have spoken to about Tickle v Giggle has ever heard of it and once it's explained they cannot believe the decisions that have been made. And that's from a group including a number of practising lawyers... there is much much less coverage of this in the Australian media than there is in the UK. I haven't yet worked out what the social implications of declaring myself gender critical might be, but I guess I will soon find out. Having found this thread I've decided to go to the rally today so had better get my skates on... feel a bit awkward turning up and knowing no-one though!

That's really worrying. It reminds me of threads a while back here about the situation in Germany, and why weren't the German public more aware of what was going on in their country, other than efforts from a few under-publicised feminist groups, and you think, that can happen in any country.

legalalien · 23/08/2026 01:08

FanOfGailDines · 21/08/2026 14:26

Most people in Australia, would not be in favour of GI would they? I mean it takes a while to actually get to grips with some of the implications but surely there would actually be a majority who think it is pretty peculiar, time-wasting and damaging ideology? Isn't it just the need for enough decent coverage in the press and getting people to care about this stuff. I think women's sports and what children are being taught in school are the way to go. The story from Iceland is such a good one to show the dangers clearly. If that could only get into the Australian press.
I want a 'proud terf' hat! is that a real hat or a metaphorical one?

Having just moved to Australia from the UK I'm absolutely astonished at how unaware most Australians are about the issues that gender ideology raises and about the court cases that have been going on in either country. Practically no-one I have spoken to about Tickle v Giggle has ever heard of it and once it's explained they cannot believe the decisions that have been made. And that's from a group including a number of practising lawyers... there is much much less coverage of this in the Australian media than there is in the UK. I haven't yet worked out what the social implications of declaring myself gender critical might be, but I guess I will soon find out. Having found this thread I've decided to go to the rally today so had better get my skates on... feel a bit awkward turning up and knowing no-one though!

sanluca · 22/08/2026 11:50

The issue with the default thinking of every transwoman is entitled to womens spaces, sports & services unless women can justify on a case by case basis that it is detrimental to women to allow the transwoman access, is that it becomes personal ( the transwoman argues why he is a woman and harmless and really very very nice) and expensive (women have to go to court to exclude them or get sued) with the additional risk of being additionally fined if you call out the transwoman is a man, is violating womens boundaries and consent and might have unsavoury reasons for demanding access.

It is a 'I lose or you win' situation for women, transwomen are legally handed enough tools to make womens lives misery. Death threats aren't even needed, so why do they feel the need to utter them?

6ate9 · 22/08/2026 08:08

NeelyOHara · 22/08/2026 07:42

They also have a ‘Protect the dolls’ T shirt on order, from a sweatshop in China.

It’s an awful slogan.

It’s not very ‘inclusive’ to the people who don’t ’identify’ as a woman!

NeelyOHara · 22/08/2026 07:42

They also have a ‘Protect the dolls’ T shirt on order, from a sweatshop in China.

PeachyDaisy · 22/08/2026 03:57

I don't think Gretel is necessarily a man. Some of the fiercest defenders out there of this ideology are women (especially young women). It specifically appeals to university age, far left social justice warrior-type women.

They have 3 shirts, one says 'stop oil', another 'free Palestine' and the last. 'transwomen are women's' haha

Ractify · 22/08/2026 03:10

Grammarnut · 21/08/2026 22:13

I think Gretel is a he - a transwoman i.e. a man. Is it legal to say that in Australia?

It is as legal as being able to hold a XX only, biological female only, lesbian only event in Australia.

ie. It isn’t legal to exclude biological males with magic girly feelings from a lesbian only event. Yay, what a time to be Australian!

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ElenOfTheWays · 22/08/2026 02:09

Grammarnut · 21/08/2026 22:13

I think Gretel is a he - a transwoman i.e. a man. Is it legal to say that in Australia?

I'm not sure if he's trans but I'm certain at this point that GretalNorthernIcelandicBaileyHowseTheGoodnews is male.

Manyanamanyana · 21/08/2026 23:57

PeachyDaisy · 21/08/2026 09:59

She is working from the premise that transwomen are automatically entitled to women's spaces, and it is on us women to fight it legally to prove why they shouldn't be in there. She is a TRA (or maybe she is a transperson herself?)

Exactly, and that's how things are working in Australia right now, so that explains the aggressive defence of the current state.

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Manyanamanyana · 21/08/2026 23:45

NotBadConsidering · 21/08/2026 08:41

For the millionth time. Men aren't being prioritised. Disadvantage is

How is disadvantage being prioritised? If disadvantage is to be prioritised, then women’s rights should win out, always. Men are never disadvantaged by being asked to compete or be in prison with other men, when compared to their sex class. Women are always disadvantaged when men are allowed into women’s sport and prisons.

The fact the Australian government does not see this, and the fact the SDA doesn’t reflect this, means the rights of men are always prioritised. If it wasn’t the case, women could successfully enforce the SDA in the current controversies, the man playing AFL. But they can’t.

Yes, and how are men disadvantaged by being excluded from a lesbian-only event, as compared to the women who are disadvantaged by allowing men into that event, on the basis that they too are lesbians? The answer is, the men are not disadvantaged, they are simply being told no because they are not lesbians. Being told no in this case is not being disadvantaged. The women are disadvantaged by not being able to congregate amongst other lesbians because violence, sexual harassment and vilification of lesbians by men is a significant issue, and private space away from this behaviour allows them to talk and express themselves freely in privacy and with dignity. So the idea that disadvantage is privileged is false. Men are privileged, and the SDA in its current form, and with the corresponding capture of our judiciary, enables that.

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Manyanamanyana · 21/08/2026 23:23

MrsOvertonsWindow · 21/08/2026 08:54

What we've seen the world over is that terrorism is extremely successful. Trans extremism showcases repeated threats of violence and murder made against women (as exemplified in the op). This has extended to threats to property, politicians and leading figures and anyone who fails to obey the distorted demands of trans extremists to mangle language, facts and reality.

They've been remarkably successful, self identifying as a "social justice movement" while in reality being an oppressive force that uses violence and threats to remove the rights of other groups - especially women and the rights of children to be safeguarded from harm.

Challenging so many unhinged and dangerous men (and some women) is challenging - their fury escalates when others highlight their unreasonable anti social, anti democratic demands and unhinged threats of violence.

It's not surprising that women are terrified in the face of this. I have so much respect for our sisters who continue to speak out in the face of this MVAWG.

This 100%.

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Grammarnut · 21/08/2026 22:13

PeachyDaisy · 21/08/2026 09:59

She is working from the premise that transwomen are automatically entitled to women's spaces, and it is on us women to fight it legally to prove why they shouldn't be in there. She is a TRA (or maybe she is a transperson herself?)

I think Gretel is a he - a transwoman i.e. a man. Is it legal to say that in Australia?

Grammarnut · 21/08/2026 22:03

Gretel346 · 21/08/2026 02:14

In Australia our sex discrimination act was altered beneath the radar to remove the definition of women and men, and elevate gender identity, meaning that a man who identifies as a woman is for all purposes, a woman in law. This is what Sal and Kirralee are fighting for: a repeal of the changes. Our Prime Minister and his tribe of handmaidens call this a culture war. It is in fact a war on womanhood.

Utter nonsense.

Special exemptions/exceptions to discriminate in favour of natal women still exist in Australian law for sports, prisons, refuges, hospitals & any other areas that require differential treatment or targeted measures for women primarily on the grounds of achieving substantive equality (affirmative action), protecting health, safety, and welfare, and addressing historical disadvantage or specific physiological needs. Networking apps understandably (for anyone with a working brain) aren't considered to meet this standard.

And stop spreading disinformation. Grover was fined for banning a trans woman on a media app & Smith for vilification of a trans person not misgendering.

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A transwoman is a man and has no place on a app set up so women can find other women for friendship, flat sharing, love or jobs. Shame on him. He should hang his head and withdraw his ridiculous complaint. Women have every right to their own stuff. If I want a women only book club I am entitled to have it. And though you speak of protections in sports, prisons, refuges etc it does not seem from what I hear that these protections are working because transwomen playing in women's sports is what Kirralee Smith exposed. Far from committing any crime she exposed the fact that men are playing on women's sports teams in Australia and this is both unfair to women and dangerous.
I've now caught you out an untruth btw - you told me there were protections for women's sports and it looks to me as if that is not true - or not enforced, which is worse.

AimsAndObjectives · 21/08/2026 16:33

Interesting findings from IPSOS Pride Report 2026. For Australia:

Q. How much do you agree or disagree with the following? Transgender people should be allowed to use single -sex facilities (e.g., public restrooms) that correspond to the gender they identify with
Agree 43% (down from 53% in 2023) Disagree 43%

Q. To what extent do you support or oppose the following: Transgender athletes competing based on the gender they identify with rather than the sex they were assigned at birth
Support 21% (down from 27% in 2021) Oppose 53%

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2026-07/ipsos-lgbt-plus-pride-surey-report-2026.pdf

The whole report is worth a read. Australians are not half as much in favour of gender ideology as some would have us believe.
Terf Island is, of course, doing best of all the countries for women's rights, without sacrificing genuine rights for trans-identified people. 💚💜

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/ct/news/documents/2026-07/ipsos-lgbt-plus-pride-surey-report-2026.pdf

PeachyDaisy · 21/08/2026 15:30

I want a 'proud terf' hat! is that a real hat or a metaphorical one?

It's a real one. I wear it out quite a lot

Australian womens rights activists recieve death threats in the lead up to a Sydney Womens rights rally
Heggettypeg · 21/08/2026 15:29

PeachyDaisy · 21/08/2026 08:53

Yes, we ban all men from playing in women's sports regardless of how well they perform against the competition. Even if a man is really old, fat or terrible at the sport. We don't say "we'll you're terrible at this sport so you can play against the women because you'll have no advantage over them"

A man can not compete in a women's competition even if he comes last every time.

And this is the giveaway. Sports, toilets, prisons, whatever. It's never about women + disadvantaged/vulnerable men of all kinds who might be at risk in the male category and need to be considered on a case by case basis. It's always women + only men who say they are women.
So it's not really about disadvantage at all. It's about giving trans identified men what they want.

ElenOfTheWays · 21/08/2026 15:16

Gretel346 · 21/08/2026 09:05

The point was to give an example of why special exemptions require a disadvantage because you don't seem to understand the consequences when it is applied to females. But clearly this is beyond your understanding.

Oh it's YOU!
How many usernames do you have on MN now? I have counted about 6 I think although I expect you've discarded the teen gay torture porn star one for good. Too obviously a male choice possibly?
I shouldn't bother if I were you. Your creepy mansplaining misogynistic style is always recognisable to us stupid women.

ElenOfTheWays · 21/08/2026 14:58

Gretel346 · 21/08/2026 09:24

Discomfort isn't grounds for anti discrimination exemptions only disadvantage is.
If we had to organise society based purely on subjective reasons for discomfort we maybe in quite the logistical pickle. As I said, where's my change room locked cubicle if my discomfort in changing publicly should matter?

You people don't live in the real world.

WE don't live in the real world?? This coming from a man who believes men can become women and its perfectly fine to threaten and harrass women who don't agree?
You couldn't make this shit up.

ElenOfTheWays · 21/08/2026 14:48

Gretel346 · 21/08/2026 08:49

Would you consider it fair for blanket race exemptions always? Always giving them advantage even when they aren't being disadvantaged?

You are so fixated on female entitlement you aren't able to comprehend the broader consequences of how principles work.

And this shortsightedness has always been the blind spot of sex realists.

And there it is. Open misogyny. It is FEMALE ENTITLEMENT to want women's sports and prisons etc to exclude men. How fucking DARE we want anything for ourselves. Any privacy, dignity, SAFETY?
Nah, you want these things? Get on your knees and beg. And while you're down there, we'll kick you in the face you bigot!

FanOfGailDines · 21/08/2026 14:26

Most people in Australia, would not be in favour of GI would they? I mean it takes a while to actually get to grips with some of the implications but surely there would actually be a majority who think it is pretty peculiar, time-wasting and damaging ideology? Isn't it just the need for enough decent coverage in the press and getting people to care about this stuff. I think women's sports and what children are being taught in school are the way to go. The story from Iceland is such a good one to show the dangers clearly. If that could only get into the Australian press.
I want a 'proud terf' hat! is that a real hat or a metaphorical one?

Shedmistress · 21/08/2026 13:38

Gretel346 · 21/08/2026 02:14

In Australia our sex discrimination act was altered beneath the radar to remove the definition of women and men, and elevate gender identity, meaning that a man who identifies as a woman is for all purposes, a woman in law. This is what Sal and Kirralee are fighting for: a repeal of the changes. Our Prime Minister and his tribe of handmaidens call this a culture war. It is in fact a war on womanhood.

Utter nonsense.

Special exemptions/exceptions to discriminate in favour of natal women still exist in Australian law for sports, prisons, refuges, hospitals & any other areas that require differential treatment or targeted measures for women primarily on the grounds of achieving substantive equality (affirmative action), protecting health, safety, and welfare, and addressing historical disadvantage or specific physiological needs. Networking apps understandably (for anyone with a working brain) aren't considered to meet this standard.

And stop spreading disinformation. Grover was fined for banning a trans woman on a media app & Smith for vilification of a trans person not misgendering.

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Networking apps understandably (for anyone with a working brain) aren't considered to meet this standard

The Networking App that Sall created included room and housesharing which anyone with a working brain, as you describe, it can be considered a situation in which women who want to reduce their risk of rape and murder can find other women to share with, what with the risk of rape and murder that is so often threatened by Trans People so clearly evidenced by the murder threats received for daring to create a networking app that would screen them out.

Their murder threats prove her point somewhat, as anyone with a working brain, as you describe it, can see.

PriOn1 · 21/08/2026 13:28

NotBadConsidering · 21/08/2026 09:54

Women shouldn’t have to take every single case to court to prove disadvantage. That is supposed to be the entire point of a Sex Discrimination Act. The clue is meant to be in the name.

Was just thinking what an enormous disadvantage it is to women if, every single time a man demands access to women’s sports or spaces, an individual assessment has to be carried out and potentially taken to court.

Women’s competition would be in a permanent state of turmoil because men would have to be allowed to compete until the court case was done, then when he was shown to have advantage (which he would because he’s male) the whole table of positions would have to be reorganized and any prizes or medals redistributed.

That sounds, in itself, like a huge and immediate disadvantage to women, compared with men who would have none of these problems at all.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 21/08/2026 11:34

Only 2 posts out of the last 85 were thread relevant, so I'm off.
There is hope for Aus, there was a thread recently that showed politicians questioning this stupidity, there was even mention of putting sex back into the Equality legislation. It's going to take time but it's moving in the right direction and women standing up and being counted is helping. So well done to those brave women and more power to them. 💪✊