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The Green Party and the word ‘female’

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BackToLurk · 20/08/2026 06:25

Omnicause veteran Eli Folan (who tweets as Stats for Lefties) has been elected to the Green Party’s governing council. Eli, as they tell us twice, is a ‘female’ rep. I don’t know whether this phrasing is the Green’s or is Eli’s special contribution.

The Green Party and the word ‘female’
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quantumbutterfly · 20/08/2026 15:08

Igneococcus · 20/08/2026 15:03

Just saw this in the Times, "Greens ridiculed over Unesco heritage bid for bread roll"
https://www.thetimes.com/article/b4285a2b-4cc6-49f6-baec-a395ba6b1262?shareToken=9c29c645940dc535a2f7583819fb2565&ver=article

Of all the things they could be ridiculed for....

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 20/08/2026 15:15

"Edinburgh Burgh records referring to “read baps” in 1601."
Ha, I said it was a bap. 😂

"However, Thomas Kerr, the deputy leader of Reform UK Scotland, has panned the idea, said the Greens should stop promoting what he described as pointless, futile gestures."
“The Scottish Greens clearly have nothing better to do if they want to use valuable parliament time talking about bread,” he said.
“Scotland would much prefer MSPs do what they are paid to do, work on the real issues that face this country, not ‘The Great Holyrood Bake Off’.”

It's good to see Reforming doing what I hoped it would do, hold the barnpot Uniparty's to account, in Scotland and Wales.

Neverstopwondering · 20/08/2026 15:17

MarieBeau · 20/08/2026 13:15

'Inshallah'?

Is he a muslim? Why is he saying 'if Allah wills' if he is not a muslim?

Do muslims not find that offensive? Its that not cultural appropriation?

If he is muslim why isn't he covering his hair as a woman 😏

I find that Muslim women and the Muslim kids I work with in my area get a kick out of trying to get non Muslims to say it. So possibly that is the same elsewhere. I think it is because one main goal in Islam is to convert the unbelievers so people using this saying is seen as a little win of some sort, not sure.

He is Jewish, very Jewish in real life but his character is not. I have always assumed that Ali G is supposed to be a guy trying to be cool and the idea is that morons like his character believe Islamic phrases are cool or trendy.

BackToLurk · 20/08/2026 15:17

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 20/08/2026 15:15

"Edinburgh Burgh records referring to “read baps” in 1601."
Ha, I said it was a bap. 😂

"However, Thomas Kerr, the deputy leader of Reform UK Scotland, has panned the idea, said the Greens should stop promoting what he described as pointless, futile gestures."
“The Scottish Greens clearly have nothing better to do if they want to use valuable parliament time talking about bread,” he said.
“Scotland would much prefer MSPs do what they are paid to do, work on the real issues that face this country, not ‘The Great Holyrood Bake Off’.”

It's good to see Reforming doing what I hoped it would do, hold the barnpot Uniparty's to account, in Scotland and Wales.

"'Pain'-ed the idea" surely. One for the Francophiles, that.

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IdaGlossop · 20/08/2026 15:21

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 20/08/2026 06:57

I think this needs to be shared widely. I voted Green occasionally in the past because of concern about the environment. I imagine a lot of people who still vote for them think they are voting for a party with the environment as its main focus. This person makes it abundantly clear that not only is it not top of the list of Green Party priorities, it's not on the list at all for him and others like him. They can whistle for my vote now.

I could have written this. In my ward, Green volunteers have no clue how to respond to my questions about either gender identity or sectarianism.

Neverstopwondering · 20/08/2026 15:27

Sometimes I feel like they are trying to push Taliban anti women type society through the back door. Women are not allowed to have their own spaces, representatives, rape centres or speak up for women's right.

I say this as someone that is not anti trans. If someone feels they want to change into a woman I have no problem calling them whatever they choose. I do however have a problem with anyone that want to erase the word woman or mother in maternity services, try to take over women's spaces and think they could possibly understand what it is like being a woman who has periods or sexually attacked or whatever.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 20/08/2026 15:31

IdaGlossop · 20/08/2026 15:21

I could have written this. In my ward, Green volunteers have no clue how to respond to my questions about either gender identity or sectarianism.

I'm very much hoping that we get canvassed at the next election. I must prepare what I want to say. Grin

The Greens have taken over our council so are probably hoping to get another MP. That would be an enormous upset. It's currently one of the safest Labour seats in the country. Six months ago I'd have said it would never happen but then they won the majority of seats on the council and got their candidate elected as Mayor, from a position where it had been Labour, Labour, Labour and almost no opposition for decades. Maybe they'll have made some huge cock up at the council before then.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 20/08/2026 15:35

Before one recent election I said to the Green canvasser that I couldn't vote for them because they don't follow the scientific evidence. He looked stunned and sneery and obviously thought I was a climate change denier or anti-vaxxer, but I got in first and said they were not following the science on gender ideology and that undermined their position on everything else as far as I'm concerned. You can't pick and choose whether to follow the science. He did start attempting to say that they were following the science there, but that doesn't wash with me. I need to get something more cogent together for next time.

MarieBeau · 20/08/2026 15:36

He's Jewish?!

IdaGlossop · 20/08/2026 15:40

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 20/08/2026 15:31

I'm very much hoping that we get canvassed at the next election. I must prepare what I want to say. Grin

The Greens have taken over our council so are probably hoping to get another MP. That would be an enormous upset. It's currently one of the safest Labour seats in the country. Six months ago I'd have said it would never happen but then they won the majority of seats on the council and got their candidate elected as Mayor, from a position where it had been Labour, Labour, Labour and almost no opposition for decades. Maybe they'll have made some huge cock up at the council before then.

Where I am, the Greens did less well than expected and we have a new Labour Council leader. Our Labour MP will have to fight hard against the Greens at the next election.

lcakethereforeIam · 20/08/2026 15:43

Ali G is Jewish, not Eleanora whatsisface @MarieBeau as far as i know.

I'm probably demonstrating my ignorance but do Scottish morning rolls (the bready type) differ from the miscellaneous other bread rolls in the UK? 8s the recipe different? Or the method of making them? They sell them in my local Tesco. They're indistinguishable from bread rolls except for the name on the label, but perhaps Tesco's aren't authentic.

Eta @

Mistyglade · 20/08/2026 15:58

That person is beyond help as are the people who voted for him.

yetanotherusernameAgain · 20/08/2026 16:30

Does anyone know if you can get Scottish morning rolls in London? The proper type, not the pappy things supermarkets pass off as morning rolls?

@lcakethereforeIam - They do indeed differ, and are far superior to any other white rolls in the UK.

KittyCorncrake · 20/08/2026 16:33

Oooh thanks for the link to Terf Times -going to follow that group 😃

SirChenjins · 20/08/2026 17:46

yetanotherusernameAgain · 20/08/2026 16:30

Does anyone know if you can get Scottish morning rolls in London? The proper type, not the pappy things supermarkets pass off as morning rolls?

@lcakethereforeIam - They do indeed differ, and are far superior to any other white rolls in the UK.

I agree. A proper Scottish morning roll is a true culinary delight - it's like buying a prepackaged multipack croissant from Sainsbury's and comparing them to a freshly baked croissant from the boulangerie.

fromorbit · 20/08/2026 18:18

Getting the Reddit Greens to mass attack you as being too crazy is quite an achievement.

Very interesting details from the thread is a bunch of people in it said they reported Folan for breaching Green party rules about respecting other members for being awful about Caroline Lucas, racism and bunch of other stuff.

BezMark · 20/08/2026 18:53

Oh to have the confidence of an average bog standard straight bloke!

And I say that as an average bog standard straight bloke.

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 20/08/2026 19:14

BezMark · 20/08/2026 18:53

Oh to have the confidence of an average bog standard straight bloke!

And I say that as an average bog standard straight bloke.

Like the confidence of those big standard men proudly showing off their use of women's loos.
<bog>standard, alright.
Although, being in the wrong place, maybe I should say bog<non-standard>

ArabellaScott · 20/08/2026 19:15

yetanotherusernameAgain · 20/08/2026 16:30

Does anyone know if you can get Scottish morning rolls in London? The proper type, not the pappy things supermarkets pass off as morning rolls?

@lcakethereforeIam - They do indeed differ, and are far superior to any other white rolls in the UK.

White roll supremacism!

Igneococcus · 20/08/2026 19:18

Will I be chucked out of Scotland when I admit that in the 20+ years I have lived here I have never had a morning roll? As someone who has grown up with proper Kipf the crusts just look all wrong to me (even when they haven't been torched to a crisp).

1dayatatime · 20/08/2026 19:47

MarieBeau · 20/08/2026 13:35

I don't understand this intwinement between the left and Islam at all. The basic core principles just do not align.

Although the Iranian Revolution is the textbook example of what happens when an Islamo leftist coalition (like the Green Party) comes to power here's a more recent example:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/17/hamtramck-michigan-muslim-council-lgbtq-pride-flags-banned

‘A sense of betrayal’: liberal dismay as Muslim-led US city bans Pride flags

Many liberals celebrated when Hamtramck, Michigan, elected a Muslim-majority council in 2015 but a vote to exclude LGBTQ+ flags from city property has soured relations

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/17/hamtramck-michigan-muslim-council-lgbtq-pride-flags-banned

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 20/08/2026 20:04

1dayatatime · 20/08/2026 19:47

Although the Iranian Revolution is the textbook example of what happens when an Islamo leftist coalition (like the Green Party) comes to power here's a more recent example:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/17/hamtramck-michigan-muslim-council-lgbtq-pride-flags-banned

😂

See feelings are no substitute for brains.

LuckyHazelFox · 20/08/2026 20:21

Neverstopwondering · 20/08/2026 15:17

I find that Muslim women and the Muslim kids I work with in my area get a kick out of trying to get non Muslims to say it. So possibly that is the same elsewhere. I think it is because one main goal in Islam is to convert the unbelievers so people using this saying is seen as a little win of some sort, not sure.

He is Jewish, very Jewish in real life but his character is not. I have always assumed that Ali G is supposed to be a guy trying to be cool and the idea is that morons like his character believe Islamic phrases are cool or trendy.

I feel brainwashed just reading that experience!

quantumbutterfly · 20/08/2026 20:35

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 20/08/2026 20:04

😂

See feelings are no substitute for brains.

There is a quote attributed to Churchill..if you're not a socialist when young you have no heart, if you're not a conservative when older you have no brain.

I might substitute those two for idealist and pragmatist,with a sliding scale between the two.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 20/08/2026 20:48

I find that Muslim women and the Muslim kids I work with in my area get a kick out of trying to get non Muslims to say it.

They don't like if you play dumb and say Alan's Snack Bar, why what does he sell, I could do with a doughnut. 😂

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