terrifying, dangerous, abusive "advice" on r/transgenderuk

Desistance used to be 100% until someone had the bright idea of giving PBs & cross-sex hormones to pre-pubescent children.

Susie Green's example is a good one, actually. Because here you had a four year old child expressing that they were a girl. Her parents did nothing until she was six,

Jackie Green's parents took away all his toys. All his dolls. He was crying on the phone to his grandma asking for a doll for Christmas, because his parents had taken them all away. The wrong toys for a boy.

Susie Green's TED talk was a masterclass in showing how homophobia produces a child who thinks they must be the opposite sex.

Funnily enough, it's nowhere to be found on the Internet anymore.

Gone. But fortunately, not forgotten.

Edited to add that Jackie Green was taken by his mother to be castrated on his 16th birthday in Thailand. Because it is (and was) completely illegal in Britain.

And, subsequent to the outrage, that op is completely illegal in Thailand too.

if people are going to try and attempt to use Susie Green to bolster their argument, they should really be familiar with what she said.

Susie Green's example is a good one, actually. Because here you had a four year old child expressing that they were a girl. Her parents did nothing until she was six,

Jackie Green's parents took away all his toys. All his dolls. He was crying on the phone to his grandma asking for a doll for Christmas, because his parents had taken them all away. The wrong toys for a boy.

Susie Green's TED talk was a masterclass in showing how homophobia produces a child who thinks they must be the opposite sex.

Funnily enough, it's nowhere to be found on the Internet anymore.

Gone. But fortunately, not forgotten.

Edited to add that Jackie Green was taken by his mother to be castrated on his 16th birthday in Thailand. Because it is (and was) completely illegal in Britain.

And, subsequent to the outrage, that op is completely illegal in Thailand too.

if people are going to try and attempt to use Susie Green to bolster their argument, they should really be familiar with what she said.

Marie literally posted a link to the studies on desistence - did you not follow it?

This is an interesting and relatively new one to be aware of

https://segm.org/gender-dysphoria-diagnosis-desistance-germany

Same thing happening in the US with abortion medication. Laws that prevent regulated access beget unregulated access.

Who is ultimately responsible is the anti trans movement.

Susie Green's TED talk was a masterclass in showing how homophobia produces a child who thinks they must be the opposite sex.
Funnily enough, it's nowhere to be found on the Internet anymore.

Nothing is ever forgotten on the Internet. Someone always keeps the receipts. This is Susie Green's deleted TED Talk along with a full transcript.

x.com/LilyLilyMaynard/status/1818762138435064228

If that child had been born to tolerant parents who didn't care which toys he chose, he could now be a happy, healthy gay man living a medication-free life, with a normal-sized gay male dating pool and able to father children of his own.

Susie Green's example is a good one, actually. Because here you had a four year old child expressing that they were a girl. Her parents did nothing until she was six,

Jackie Green's parents took away all his toys. All his dolls. He was crying on the phone to his grandma asking for a doll for Christmas, because his parents had taken them all away. The wrong toys for a boy.

Susie Green's TED talk was a masterclass in showing how homophobia produces a child who thinks they must be the opposite sex.

Funnily enough, it's nowhere to be found on the Internet anymore.

Gone. But fortunately, not forgotten.

Edited to add that Jackie Green was taken by his mother to be castrated on his 16th birthday in Thailand. Because it is (and was) completely illegal in Britain.

And, subsequent to the outrage, that op is completely illegal in Thailand too.

if people are going to try and attempt to use Susie Green to bolster their argument, they should really be familiar with what she said.

No, they don't admit anything of the sort.

Jackie Green first expressed that she was a girl at 4, continued to do so until she received puberty blockers at 12 or 13. As far as I know she is now in her thirties and continues to identify as a trans woman.

Susie Green reflected once that she and her husband had different attitudes towards homosexuality. The leap from that to assuming that a homophobic father actively preferred to have a trans daughter than a gay son is entirely spurious.

I'm keen for people to point out all these supposedly liberal pro-trans dads who are virulently anti-gay.

Susie Green's example is a good one, actually. Because here you had a four year old child expressing that they were a girl. Her parents did nothing until she was six,

Jackie Green's parents took away all his toys. All his dolls. He was crying on the phone to his grandma asking for a doll for Christmas, because his parents had taken them all away. The wrong toys for a boy.

Susie Green's TED talk was a masterclass in showing how homophobia produces a child who thinks they must be the opposite sex.

Funnily enough, it's nowhere to be found on the Internet anymore.

Gone. But fortunately, not forgotten.

Edited to add that Jackie Green was taken by his mother to be castrated on his 16th birthday in Thailand. Because it is (and was) completely illegal in Britain.

And, subsequent to the outrage, that op is completely illegal in Thailand too.

if people are going to try and attempt to use Susie Green to bolster their argument, they should really be familiar with what she said.

Susie Green's example is a good one, actually. Because here you had a four year old child expressing that they were a girl. Her parents did nothing until she was six,

Jackie Green's parents took away all his toys. All his dolls. He was crying on the phone to his grandma asking for a doll for Christmas, because his parents had taken them all away. The wrong toys for a boy.

Susie Green's TED talk was a masterclass in showing how homophobia produces a child who thinks they must be the opposite sex.

Funnily enough, it's nowhere to be found on the Internet anymore.

Gone. But fortunately, not forgotten.

Edited to add that Jackie Green was taken by his mother to be castrated on his 16th birthday in Thailand. Because it is (and was) completely illegal in Britain.

And, subsequent to the outrage, that op is completely illegal in Thailand too.

if people are going to try and attempt to use Susie Green to bolster their argument, they should really be familiar with what she said.

Marie literally posted a link to the studies on desistence - did you not follow it?

This is an interesting and relatively new one to be aware of

https://segm.org/gender-dysphoria-diagnosis-desistance-germany

It is indeed bizarre that some posters are surprised? offended? angry? that there is concern here for the well-being of one 15 year old child, or all children of all ages. I'd have thought that if you're choosing to post on something called 'Mumsnet', you'd know that a keen interest in child welfare would kinda come with the territory.. not all MNers are mothers, and there are lots of other discussion topics, but it's hardly surprising to find an interest in child welfare on here, is it?

But when we ['we' = participants in discussions on these threads, not 'members of a cult'🙄] comment on cases like this, we're not just drawing on our experiences as mothers, including mothers of children who have gone down the trans route.

Some of us have actually lived through 'gender dysphoria' [using that disputed terms as a short-hand]. Some of us have had suicidal ideation because of it.
Some of us thought we'd rather die than go through puberty and become adult human females.

We know that growing up, especially growing up female, can be agonising for some children. Several of us have stated that had puberty blockers, hormones, surgery been available to us as gender-confused girls, we'd have jumped at the opporuntunity.
I can see a younger me beating down the doors to be one of the Chosen Few in the PB clinical trials.

We speak from experience. But we don't just rely on personal experience, we also do our research and share our findings; one of the most significant figures is that the huge majority of children who present with 'gender dysphoria' will just grow out of it.

Gender-related distress will alleviate for around 80% of pre-teen children once they become teenagers - Stats for Gender
[the primary sources are given, in case anyone is unhappy the the source of this article which is connected to Genspect- they can check them themselves.]

That 15 year old boy is unhappy now, but it is more than likely that, with care and love and support, he will accept the fact that he is and always will be male, and hopefully live his best life as the kind of man he wants to be.
Which is what I and other survivors of 'gender dysphoria' did.
He deserves to be given the same chance we got to grow up, supported by loving care and above all the truth that he will always be a man, regardless.

Never mind you can contact that homophobic pair from Mermaids instead who freely admit that they turned their boy into a "girl" because the father couldn't tolerate a boy playing with "girls" toys.

I strongly suggest you read the recent scientific studies showing that puberty blockers are safe, rather than transphobia.

Why is the NHS is doing a trial on puberty blockers if the data is already available?

can you explain what identifies as and expresses herself as a girl means please? Preferably without resorting to sexist stereotypes? I’ll wait……

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if the TRAs on this thread really were somewhat non-plussed at the women being concerned about children. It's a recurring theme.

The head scratching and bewilderment, could, of course, be a really crap attempt to shut women down. Or it could be a genuine cluelessness about how normal adults view safeguarding.

Because, they also seem shocked that any of the women here even know any people who are trans, much less have children or extended family who identify as such. Their own echo chamber leaves them ignorant of other people.

Or, they're just trying to shut women down, because safeguarding is anathema to them.

Bizarre, really, because trying to shut down safeguarding is a red flag aspect OF safeguarding.

You can spot it from space.

The notion that there are legions of fathers out there that are virulently homophobic, to the point of pushing their children towards a life that is much more challenging because of societal attitudes, but not even slightly transphobic, is utter, utter nonsense.

I know, let's contact the Tavistock and ask them to comment...oh...wait

Oh marvellous. A thread in which people who have spent years campaigning to prevent the sensible, regulated and judicious prescription of medicine now suddenly realise that in the absence of such people will resort to sourcing it separately.

The father in question seems quite responsible in still seeking treatment by a medical professional in France, rather than DIY.

But a couple of total red herrings already in this thread:

1. No indication whatsoever that this guys daughter has no say in this. The obvious starting point is that he has a trans daughter - not that he has a son that he (the father) is insisting must be trans.
2. It seems clear that his daughter already identifies and expresses herself as a girl. The father's question is not about how he can 'trans' his 'gay son', but rather how he can best help his trans daughter avoid the long term difficulties in transitioning and passing that will arise if she goes fully through male puberty.

The notion that there are legions of fathers out there that are virulently homophobic, to the point of pushing their children towards a life that is much more challenging because of societal attitudes, but not even slightly transphobic, is utter, utter nonsense.

Spoiler alert - virtually every homophobe that exists in the UK is also massively transphobic. Virtually no parent who has a problem with a gay son would prefer to have a trans daughter.

There is NOTHING that these people will condemn apparently.