terrifying, dangerous, abusive "advice" on r/transgenderuk

'Females' huh.

Bye creep.

Fair enough, and thank you for that support. I'm in favour of blockers for those suitable to have them for the following reasons.

Puberty blockers have been repeatedly shown to be safe. A study last week showed they don't affect bone density in the long term.

The trans adults who have taken them report they pass better and experienced a much less traumatic adolescence than had they been forced through the wrong puberty.

Blockers provide time for a child to grow up and decide if they want to continue with life as a trans adult.

I have seen what happens to a trans child who is denied care and has to proceed with puberty. The combination of awful body dysmorphia and horrific bullying at school badly affects them at what's a crucial moment in their lives.

A survey of trans children report all have experienced this bullying and dysphoria. Along with exam pressure and the normal strains of growing up - well, you can guess the result. School refusal, exam failure, depression, anxiety, self-harming and suicide.

Every one of the surveyed children had suicidal ideation. This is the inevitable result of knowing there's treatment which could help you, but which has been denied.

There are more trans children requiring care now because more come out, simple as that really. They know who they are and don't want to hide it. The initial coming out brings them so much peace, and it is heartbreaking what follows.

I know trans children who have bought hormones off the Internet in desperation. I have spoken to the mums of trans children who killed themselves (who were hounded on social media, blamed for their children's deat-s - in one instance, those who attacked her threatened to disrupt her son's funeral).

Giving those who are suited to them puberty blockers won't just save lives. It will prevent the irreversible harm caused by self-harming and unregulated hormones.

And more: the end result of my son being denied treatment is that he's now going to have top surgery.

If he'd had blockers, that wouldn't now be on the cards. He wouldn't be wearing a binder every day, or likely have the physical and mental scars of those years.

Saving his life took everything I had. He is now finally free of school, but only scraped a few GCSEs after being predicted As. He is on dangerous anti-anxiety meds which I fret about him taking - when he forgets three doses he has significant hallucinations and feels very ill. He is going to slowly withdraw from them but I worry so much about the process.

The consequence of all this anti-trans activism has been to make lives like his miserable. It has enabled the bullying he suffered as an out trans boy (the only one in his school).

I wish he wasn't going to have the surgery. It will be so consequential and painful. But I completely understand it will make him happier - I've met enough content trans men to know this is the case.

There will be so much more top surgery as a result of this denial of care. I think that's awful.

Thank you for your support, it is a great comfort to me to know that there are decent people here. Apologies for the length of this.

The situation is, TransParentlyAnnoyed , you know some young people with gender dysphoria who reacted as you describe; I know other young people with gender dysphoria who reacted differently and became reconciled to their natal sex, and went on to live their lives as such.

Both these experiences are anecdotal, and ' I know somebody who.... my child says.... my own experience is... ' are interesting and significant, but they are just your personal experiences or my personal experiences, and they point in different directions.

That's where properly-conducted studies are useful, and a number of studies show that gender dysphoria in children is more likely than not to be temporary, and the majority will, with the passage of time and without any medical intervention, accept their biological reality.

It is an emotional subject obviously- I get emotional when I think of vulnerable gender-incongruent children like I was, being told that if they take X or Y or undergo Z, they can change their sex, when in fact that they can never be anything other than the sex they were born into.

I believe that children deserve the truth about biological reality, and all the love and support they need to live that reality.
I base this on my own first-hand experience of growing up, and through, and out of, gender dysphoria in childhood.

You and I, TPA, have come to different conclusions based on our anecdotal experiences.

Judging from your posts on several thread, which are often very negative, using words like 'transphobic' or 'aberrant' etc., you seem to think that your conclusions are more valid than, for instance, mine.

Some of them are lost, like this bloke https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1vooecd/dilating_question/

He really needs some help and the 'community' isn't showing much support.

None of that's true. Trans people are individuals who know their own minds.

Any theory as to why you're always on here being furious about them? It's profoundly odd.

'Females' huh.

Bye creep.

'Females' huh.

Bye creep.

None of that's true. Trans people are individuals who know their own minds.

Any theory as to why you're always on here being furious about them? It's profoundly odd.

Gender non-conformity, fetishistic men, teenagers struggling with changes in their bodies, those with genuine dysphoria have all existed since the dawn of time.

Grouping these people under a 'trans' umbrella is a very recent phenomenon. It's a development that's extremely beneficial to one of these sub groups and extremely detrimental to everyone else.

Puberty blockers have been repeatedly shown to be safe. A study last week showed they don't affect bone density in the long term.

Females NEED estrogen for bone health.

I do not know what study you are referencing but they absolutely DO affect bone density, hence so many young people in wheelchairs and on crutches/walkers at PRIDE events.

Wanting adults to have crumbling bones is not being 'decent'.

There is no such thing as a trans child. No child is the opposite sex to that which they are. 'Gender' is simply personal expression and personality. The abuse of children in this way ( under the guise of supporting them) is a strange form of Munchausen's by proxy.

Fair enough, and thank you for that support. I'm in favour of blockers for those suitable to have them for the following reasons.

Puberty blockers have been repeatedly shown to be safe. A study last week showed they don't affect bone density in the long term.

The trans adults who have taken them report they pass better and experienced a much less traumatic adolescence than had they been forced through the wrong puberty.

Blockers provide time for a child to grow up and decide if they want to continue with life as a trans adult.

I have seen what happens to a trans child who is denied care and has to proceed with puberty. The combination of awful body dysmorphia and horrific bullying at school badly affects them at what's a crucial moment in their lives.

A survey of trans children report all have experienced this bullying and dysphoria. Along with exam pressure and the normal strains of growing up - well, you can guess the result. School refusal, exam failure, depression, anxiety, self-harming and suicide.

Every one of the surveyed children had suicidal ideation. This is the inevitable result of knowing there's treatment which could help you, but which has been denied.

There are more trans children requiring care now because more come out, simple as that really. They know who they are and don't want to hide it. The initial coming out brings them so much peace, and it is heartbreaking what follows.

I know trans children who have bought hormones off the Internet in desperation. I have spoken to the mums of trans children who killed themselves (who were hounded on social media, blamed for their children's deat-s - in one instance, those who attacked her threatened to disrupt her son's funeral).

Giving those who are suited to them puberty blockers won't just save lives. It will prevent the irreversible harm caused by self-harming and unregulated hormones.

And more: the end result of my son being denied treatment is that he's now going to have top surgery.

If he'd had blockers, that wouldn't now be on the cards. He wouldn't be wearing a binder every day, or likely have the physical and mental scars of those years.

Saving his life took everything I had. He is now finally free of school, but only scraped a few GCSEs after being predicted As. He is on dangerous anti-anxiety meds which I fret about him taking - when he forgets three doses he has significant hallucinations and feels very ill. He is going to slowly withdraw from them but I worry so much about the process.

The consequence of all this anti-trans activism has been to make lives like his miserable. It has enabled the bullying he suffered as an out trans boy (the only one in his school).

I wish he wasn't going to have the surgery. It will be so consequential and painful. But I completely understand it will make him happier - I've met enough content trans men to know this is the case.

There will be so much more top surgery as a result of this denial of care. I think that's awful.

Thank you for your support, it is a great comfort to me to know that there are decent people here. Apologies for the length of this.

There have been trans people since the beginning of recorded history. People can be trans without changing sex.

The first recorded trans surgery was done over 100 years ago, and that's only if you don't count older cultures which removed the genitals young men, many of whom would probably have identified as trans in a different culture.

This isn't anything new. Only the battle to be recognised as having changed sex and take women's rights is new.

Of course I have a good idea, because there is research that talks about the indicators for desistence and persistence, and Jackie Green met most of the criteria for factors linked to persistence.

This is classic conversion therapy mindset. A thirty-something year old person is assumed to not know their gender identity or how they want to live their life. If only you could have drummed it out of them early enough they might have lived 'happily' as a cisgender person. But that is rubbish. Jackie Green continues to be a trans person. This is an example of someone for whom the research was spot on - persistent GD is more likely to persist permanently, as it has for her.

Not having a record of suicidality doesn't prove there's no increased risk which is irrelevant because generally accepted increased risk factors do.

Fair enough, and thank you for that support. I'm in favour of blockers for those suitable to have them for the following reasons.

Puberty blockers have been repeatedly shown to be safe. A study last week showed they don't affect bone density in the long term.

The trans adults who have taken them report they pass better and experienced a much less traumatic adolescence than had they been forced through the wrong puberty.

Blockers provide time for a child to grow up and decide if they want to continue with life as a trans adult.

I have seen what happens to a trans child who is denied care and has to proceed with puberty. The combination of awful body dysmorphia and horrific bullying at school badly affects them at what's a crucial moment in their lives.

A survey of trans children report all have experienced this bullying and dysphoria. Along with exam pressure and the normal strains of growing up - well, you can guess the result. School refusal, exam failure, depression, anxiety, self-harming and suicide.

Every one of the surveyed children had suicidal ideation. This is the inevitable result of knowing there's treatment which could help you, but which has been denied.

There are more trans children requiring care now because more come out, simple as that really. They know who they are and don't want to hide it. The initial coming out brings them so much peace, and it is heartbreaking what follows.

I know trans children who have bought hormones off the Internet in desperation. I have spoken to the mums of trans children who killed themselves (who were hounded on social media, blamed for their children's deat-s - in one instance, those who attacked her threatened to disrupt her son's funeral).

Giving those who are suited to them puberty blockers won't just save lives. It will prevent the irreversible harm caused by self-harming and unregulated hormones.

And more: the end result of my son being denied treatment is that he's now going to have top surgery.

If he'd had blockers, that wouldn't now be on the cards. He wouldn't be wearing a binder every day, or likely have the physical and mental scars of those years.

Saving his life took everything I had. He is now finally free of school, but only scraped a few GCSEs after being predicted As. He is on dangerous anti-anxiety meds which I fret about him taking - when he forgets three doses he has significant hallucinations and feels very ill. He is going to slowly withdraw from them but I worry so much about the process.

The consequence of all this anti-trans activism has been to make lives like his miserable. It has enabled the bullying he suffered as an out trans boy (the only one in his school).

I wish he wasn't going to have the surgery. It will be so consequential and painful. But I completely understand it will make him happier - I've met enough content trans men to know this is the case.

There will be so much more top surgery as a result of this denial of care. I think that's awful.

Thank you for your support, it is a great comfort to me to know that there are decent people here. Apologies for the length of this.

Desperate stuff, this.

The kid's own mother blames the dad.

Your comparison isn't valid.

Transphobic people discussing puberty blockers are like antivaxxers discussing
covid.

Dismissing the experiences of trans children, the trans adults whose lives were improved by puberty blockers, doctors who give the treatment and their parents, isn't discussion.

Calling parents "abusive" for trying to save their children's lives, is not informed debate.

Obsessing about a very small minority of children themselves within a tiny minority repeatedly, is not science. It is aberrant behaviour.

You don't know if anybody's lives were improved by puberty blockers long term because you are only looking at people given puberty blockers and the immediate impact.

I'm not trans phobic, many of my posts annoy the gender critical because they are trans supportive. I am, though, absolutely against blocking the biological process which removes from most young people with body dysmorphia the drive to transition at all.

Your comparison isn't valid.

Transphobic people discussing puberty blockers are like antivaxxers discussing
covid.

Dismissing the experiences of trans children, the trans adults whose lives were improved by puberty blockers, doctors who give the treatment and their parents, isn't discussion.

Calling parents "abusive" for trying to save their children's lives, is not informed debate.

Obsessing about a very small minority of children themselves within a tiny minority repeatedly, is not science. It is aberrant behaviour.