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It has not gone unnoticed that there is a large number of people who have medically transitioned as children or young adults who are suffering physically as a result and it has been recommended that research be done on this cohort through data collection in adult gender clinics to better understand this phenomenon before undertaking the Pathways trial.

The adult gender clinics won’t share the data.

The researchers of the Pathways trial are continuing anyway.

And my point still stands. Even if there was evidence of people on benefits and in the NHS suffering as a result, it wouldn’t impact the Pathways trial like you claim.

It has not gone unnoticed that there is a large number of people who have medically transitioned as children or young adults who are suffering physically as a result and it has been recommended that research be done on this cohort through data collection in adult gender clinics to better understand this phenomenon before undertaking the Pathways trial.

The adult gender clinics won’t share the data.

The researchers of the Pathways trial are continuing anyway.

And my point still stands. Even if there was evidence of people on benefits and in the NHS suffering as a result, it wouldn’t impact the Pathways trial like you claim.

Yes, that anti trans echo chamber of Trans PRIDE videos.

Large numbers of young people on mobility benefits and in NHS care for an inability to walk unaided due to having taken puberty blockers would not go unnoticed.

The claim that they exist is ridiculous.

Here’s a quote from JK Rowling on X five hours ago.
I couldn’t put it better myself:

“The more nonsensical and obviously absurd a belief is, the more people who hold it (or pretend to) will resist recanting. The potential for humiliation rises in direct proportion to the ridiculousness of what they've publicly swallowed. They see no choice but to double down.”

“I practically live on the internet “

Therein lies the problem….

Everywhere where? In some kind of anti-trans echo chamber? I practically live on the internet. Even a current Google AI search isn't bringing up anything but two isolated international cases, only one with mobility impairment. Please point me to one bit of this "everywhere".

Please also bear in mind that BMD loss does not equal disability. I have very significant osteoporosis of the spine with scoliosis and I not only walk 4 miles unaided but I also jog and rarely even take pain killers.

Everywhere where? In some kind of anti-trans echo chamber? I practically live on the internet. Even a current Google AI search isn't bringing up anything but two isolated international cases, only one with mobility impairment. Please point me to one bit of this "everywhere".

Please also bear in mind that BMD loss does not equal disability. I have very significant osteoporosis of the spine with scoliosis and I not only walk 4 miles unaided but I also jog and rarely even take pain killers.

They were all over the internet a few weeks ago.

Why do we all have to go round all the interweb world to show you things that you could just see yourself if you cared enough to look?

Being non-binary with a trans child, and knowing many trans people (plus supporting young trans people whose parents have rejected them) isn't anecdotal evidence.

I'm speaking from experience.

Trans children do not need saving from loving parents, but from abusive ones who refuse them support, chuck them out and subject them to conversion therapy.

Children know their own minds. Puberty is not a cure for dysphoria if you are truly trans, and forcing trans children through it has irreversible effects.

And I do think referring to women as 'females' and posting obsessively all day about a minority is aberrant, yes. As if going after trans people and inventing weird origin stories about them will solve cis male violence or help anyone.

There're so many children who are genuinely being abused. When I see people (esp those I know to be men) repeatedly posting here about trans kids, claiming supportive parents are child abusers and making comments about their bodies, I think that's horribly creepy. A huge red flag.

No, nobody is pretending, they don't exist in numbers as you say they do. Show me the statistics of young people on mobility benefits because of puberty blocker use?

Heck, show me the pictures of these Pride matches with all these young people in wheelchairs and on crutches due to puberty blockers. I've never seen a Pride picture with a single one in.

Nah, you lost me with 'it's dangerous and it doesn't help'.

The strongest charge that can be levelled about puberty blockers is that their benefits are unproven.

If you are going to claim some established evidence that they don't work then you're showing you don't really know what you're talking about.

So they are pretending? Gosh.

Nah, you lost me with 'it's dangerous and it doesn't help'.

The strongest charge that can be levelled about puberty blockers is that their benefits are unproven.

If you are going to claim some established evidence that they don't work then you're showing you don't really know what you're talking about.

I have only seen the SEGM referenced German one because another poster reposted it.

A reference in German is fine. I'm happy to translate.

You asked me this previously and I didn't answer.

About the studies. I can't find your post where you linked to studies. I have only seen the SEGM referenced German one because another poster reposted it. As I say that does not tell us anything about rates of desistance, detransition or cessation of treatment, much less the reasons underpinning those rates.

Can you point me to the post where you posted other studies, or repost them, whichever is easiest?

Large numbers of young people on mobility benefits and in NHS care for an inability to walk unaided due to having taken puberty blockers would not go unnoticed.

The claim that they exist is ridiculous.

Nah, you lost me with 'it's dangerous and it doesn't help'.

The strongest charge that can be levelled about puberty blockers is that their benefits are unproven.

If you are going to claim some established evidence that they don't work then you're showing you don't really know what you're talking about.

Puberty blockers have been repeatedly shown to be safe. A study last week showed they don't affect bone density in the long term.

It was a review of existing studies and it actually showed that they recover significantly, but generally do not catch up with matched peers (for once, girls fair better - more girls than boys catch up, due to the effects of testosterone. Boys tended to end up with lumbar spine density generally lower)

Lets be accurate here rather than hand wave away lower average bone density.

This absolutely cannot be the case. There is simply no way the puberty blocker trial would be going ahead if large numbers of young people at Pride events were in wheelchairs and on crutches due to puberty blockers. The trial is unethical but it isn't THAT unethical!

This is a non sequitur. The accuracy or not of people being on crutches or in wheelchairs at Pride would have absolutely zero impact on the decision to start the Pathways trial.

Those deciding to start the Pathways trial are not remotely interested in looking at actual evidence in real adult clinics of long term outcomes like osteoporosis to help them determine whether Pathways will go ahead.

They have been told that this is likely to be quantifiable problem if they just bothered to look at the adult clinic data and they don’t care.

So the presence or absence of people in wheelchairs at Pride is something that wouldn’t even cause them to raise an eyebrow, let alone question the veracity of such a claim.

What on earth is wrong with using “females” to mean “female humans”?

Is this more language policing? Do we now have to pretend there is no male and female?

I have only seen the SEGM referenced German one because another poster reposted it.

A reference in German is fine. I'm happy to translate.

But he ISN'T a girl and never CAN be a girl or later, a woman.

This father's job here is to explain that to his son, NOT to source illegal medication for him.

You understand it's illegal for a reason, right? Because its dangerous and it doesn't help.

Everything else you said is irrelevant because HUMANS CAN'T CHANGE SEX!
It's cruel to lie to kids and say they can.