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Loyle Carner & JKR

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CarotidFartery · 15/08/2026 10:17

Picked up a car of teens from Boardmasters last week and was really bothered to overhear some of their conversations.

Among the over stimulated wittering they were talking about how much they liked Loyle Carner and they loved it when he shouted that he hated Nigel Farage and the crowd roared, and then when he shouted about hating JKR and everyone whooped.

I was 🤨 and pointed out that rabble rousing and shouting about 'hating' specific people should generally be avoided. There were some mutterings about her deserving it and then the conversation moved on.

I chose my moment to broach the subject with the teen that belongs to me this week. They doubled down a bit and said, "but isnt she racist and homophobic and transphobic?" So we had a conversation about not forming our opinions from myth and rumour, and maybe pondering why a middle aged feminist was the priority for slagging off to a crowd of impressionable teens. Of all the people in all the world to raise a rabble against?!

I have googled and it seems this is an integral part of his act. There doesn't seem to be much commentary about it online though.

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CarotidFartery · 16/08/2026 11:45

I post truths you don't want to hear, notably the horrific effect online transphobia's having on trans kids in schools.

Who is a 'trans kid'?
im what way are they identified as a discrete group?
What is transphobia?
What is different about online transphobia?

What are the harms occuring?
Do they impact 'trans kids' solely? Equally? Definitely?
What research has been done to find a causal link and rule out other variables such as pre existing mental ill health and ACEs?
Could the solution be as simple as reducing online exposure for vulnerable kids?
If it's only 'online transphobia' you feel is a risk then does that mean these kids dont experience any real life discrimination - isn't that protective?

Etc etc etc

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Idontknowmuch · 16/08/2026 00:35

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 15/08/2026 14:42

I post truths you don't want to hear, notably the horrific effect online transphobia's having on trans kids in schools.

You don't want to hear them because you know you're part of that. Everyone who posts transphobic content is.

Going to defend JKR reposting that despicable comment about Jason Arday too?

I'm more worried about the horrific effects of online misogyny on women and girls. There is no such thing as trans kids, just vulnerable children brain washed into believing natural puberty is dangerous and the people trying to protect them from irreversible harm are thier enemies.

AimsAndObjectives · 16/08/2026 00:25

MrsOvertonsWindow · 15/08/2026 15:26

We can never really know the reality of what posters on Mumsnet claim to be. There are a significant number who claim to be mothers yet their posts reveal that they have no clue about children, no insight into being a woman and zero experience of parenting.
As Mumsnet's fundamental aim is to "make parents' lives easier", I look with sadness at posters who post rage and intolerance aimed at other parents and their parenting. They're either disruptive trolls or carry such immense fury inside that their lives must be very difficult. Using women on here as their punchbag isn't acceptable but at the end of the day, it's up to Mumsnet to decide what constitutes the boundary between free speech versus being abusive to women and parents.

I think that some posters, when they talk about 'their child', may actually be talking about themselves when they were a child or perhaps retconning aspects of their childhood. I agree that they do not actually come across as parents themselves. There is certainly a terrible fury there, at someone or something.

BunfightBetty · 15/08/2026 23:43

Continuing to insist that Khelif is a ‘cis’ woman, in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, strikes me as jumping the shark.

Lovelyview · 15/08/2026 22:49

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 15/08/2026 14:46

This was a reply to the tedious poster who called me a liar, btw.

But I guess lots of you defend that JKR repost. Outing yourselves as racists by attacking Khelif was a giveaway there.

Can't handle a cis Muslim woman being proud and strong rather than an object of Islsmophobic pity huh. What a surprise.

I'm very confused about why you think Imane Khelif is female. There is very clear evidence he failed two sex tests and he has refused to take another one to qualify for women's boxing. He is clearly male and only boxed at the Olympics because of their policy of accepting passport evidence of sex - which isn't evidence at all. The Olympic fiasco lead to them specifying that everyone taking part in the women's category now needs testing to rule out the y chromosome. Imane Khelif will not be participating in the 2028 Olympics because he is male. You know all this yet you continue to fight for him, even though a male punch is 162% greater than female punching power and by entering the ring with women he put them in grave physical danger. That is aside from taking Olympic medals from women. It's so clearly dangerous and unfair, yet still you continue.

BeKindWisely · 15/08/2026 21:00

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 15/08/2026 14:32

The other thing young people need to learn, is that opinions are not aggressive acts. There’s a surprising acceptance of people who say all the right things but actually commit crimes and hurt people, versus people who have done a huge amount of good but whose opinions are unpopular.

This is so spot on!

Pippin2017 · 15/08/2026 19:57

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 15/08/2026 14:39

She called a brown Muslim cis woman, who's been repeatedly cleared to box and has often lost to other cis women, a man who enjoyed hitting women.

She explicitly called a heroic working-class Muslim woman, heroine to girls within her country, an abusive man.

That is despicable, and widely seen as racist for obvious reasons.

What? Are you talking about Khelif? A 'cis' woman? Good grief.

Supposedly a 'woman' from a very conservative country, who has no qualms about wrapping their thighs round their trainer's neck and being paraded round. Use your imagination to think what would have happened after this display if an actual woman had done it.

CarotidFartery · 15/08/2026 19:47

SheWillBeTheDeathOfMe · 15/08/2026 19:35

Oh damn, I love Loyle Carner, he certainly wasn’t spouting bollocks about JKR when I saw him perform last year and he played Horcrux. I’m assuming that he has had backlash for the song and is too weak/“kind” to not have to tow the line 🙄

I love that it's very acceptable and understandable to declare your love of Harry Potter as long as you denounce his creator.

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SheWillBeTheDeathOfMe · 15/08/2026 19:35

Oh damn, I love Loyle Carner, he certainly wasn’t spouting bollocks about JKR when I saw him perform last year and he played Horcrux. I’m assuming that he has had backlash for the song and is too weak/“kind” to not have to tow the line 🙄

CarotidFartery · 15/08/2026 19:27

BackToLurk · 15/08/2026 15:50

Anyway, inciting a crowd to hate people is deeply unpleasant. If you’re in the baying mob, you can try and convince yourself you’re a ‘good guy’, but you probably aren’t.

Absolutely this.

Weird that 'gleeful transphobia' is crime of the century <undefined and unquoted transphobia> but 'gleeful sexism' is all approved.

Got it 🙄

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SinnerBoy · 15/08/2026 16:32

selffellatingouroborosofhate · Today 15:49

Asexuality also has nothing to do with gender identity, so JKR's comments on aces aren't transphobic. Your DD's critical thinking skills aren't great.

I know.

She's 13.

BackToLurk · 15/08/2026 15:50

Anyway, inciting a crowd to hate people is deeply unpleasant. If you’re in the baying mob, you can try and convince yourself you’re a ‘good guy’, but you probably aren’t.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 15/08/2026 15:49

SinnerBoy · 15/08/2026 15:45

CarotidFartery · Today 10:57

Ereshkigalangcleg · Today 10:50

>>>What was the outcome of the conversation? How is she “racist”, I’m imagining it’s some nonsense about Harry Potter characters.<<<

There was absolutely nothing to the alleged isms/phobias except 'someone said she did/is'

Yes, my 13 year old daughter tells me things that she's alleged to have done, because someone told her. I sent her JKR's essay - silence, although she said she's read it. A couple of months ago, she stormed up to me triumphantly and shouted,

"LOOK what the Hag has said about asexual people! It's disgusting and transphobic."

I reminded her that we don't discuss this and that eye rolling and snippy replies aren't the same as a million rape and death threats. Apparently, that makes me a bigot, although why people without any interest in sex need a special day is beyond me, as nobody knows. Unless they decide to wang on about it, for attention.

Asexuality also has nothing to do with gender identity, so JKR's comments on aces aren't transphobic. Your DD's critical thinking skills aren't great.

SinnerBoy · 15/08/2026 15:45

CarotidFartery · Today 10:57

Ereshkigalangcleg · Today 10:50

>>>What was the outcome of the conversation? How is she “racist”, I’m imagining it’s some nonsense about Harry Potter characters.<<<

There was absolutely nothing to the alleged isms/phobias except 'someone said she did/is'

Yes, my 13 year old daughter tells me things that she's alleged to have done, because someone told her. I sent her JKR's essay - silence, although she said she's read it. A couple of months ago, she stormed up to me triumphantly and shouted,

"LOOK what the Hag has said about asexual people! It's disgusting and transphobic."

I reminded her that we don't discuss this and that eye rolling and snippy replies aren't the same as a million rape and death threats. Apparently, that makes me a bigot, although why people without any interest in sex need a special day is beyond me, as nobody knows. Unless they decide to wang on about it, for attention.

Howlerhog · 15/08/2026 15:39

I really cannot see how any caring parent would encourage a child to think transitioning would be a good idea. Encouraging a child to think they can change sex - when they can’t - and that they’ll be fully accepted by society as their more sex - when the rightly won’t be - is truly abhorrent.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 15/08/2026 15:26

DialSquare · 15/08/2026 15:18

I used to wonder about that but I’m pretty sure there is a daughter. I believe there are other children too.

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We can never really know the reality of what posters on Mumsnet claim to be. There are a significant number who claim to be mothers yet their posts reveal that they have no clue about children, no insight into being a woman and zero experience of parenting.
As Mumsnet's fundamental aim is to "make parents' lives easier", I look with sadness at posters who post rage and intolerance aimed at other parents and their parenting. They're either disruptive trolls or carry such immense fury inside that their lives must be very difficult. Using women on here as their punchbag isn't acceptable but at the end of the day, it's up to Mumsnet to decide what constitutes the boundary between free speech versus being abusive to women and parents.

helderste · 15/08/2026 15:23

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/08/2026 15:01

That’s a lame reach even for TPA.

Took me a moment to realise TPA refers to that poster’s username and not Trans Preferences Activist which I’d thought was very accurate because it is only preferences which are being aggressively demanded after all, not rights where equality has already been achieved.

DialSquare · 15/08/2026 15:18

MrPrettyDamnCosmic · 15/08/2026 15:08

TPA's daughter is a figment of his imagination. It's just a prop he uses to berate uppity women.

I used to wonder about that but I’m pretty sure there is a daughter. I believe there are other children too.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 15/08/2026 15:14

spannasaurus · 15/08/2026 14:48

@TransParentlyAnnoyed

Is this the repost you're referring to

Posted before the news of Arday's death broke...

MrPrettyDamnCosmic · 15/08/2026 15:08

DialSquare · 15/08/2026 14:57

The only tedious one is you, continuing to post a load of bollocks. But I get it. If you didn’t go along with the nonsense, you’d have to look internally about affirming your daughter’s identify and what damage it could be causing her body. For what it’s worth, I hope she somehow escapes the issues taking wrong sex hormones can do to a body. But listening to others who have been down the same route, I sadly think she won’t escape without any issues.

TPA's daughter is a figment of his imagination. It's just a prop he uses to berate uppity women.

spannasaurus · 15/08/2026 15:01

The Equipe article includes this statement that khelif reduced his testosterone to zero. That doesn't sound believable. The level that Caster Semanya had to reduce his testosterone to was still in the male range.

For the qualifying tournament for the Paris Games, which took place in Dakar, I lowered my testosterone level to zero (the average level is between 0.3 and 3 nanomoles per liter of blood in women) . And I won the gold medal there.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/08/2026 15:01

spannasaurus · 15/08/2026 14:48

@TransParentlyAnnoyed

Is this the repost you're referring to

That’s a lame reach even for TPA.

Howlerhog · 15/08/2026 14:59

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 15/08/2026 14:26

JKR's behaviour towards Imane Khelif, reposting of Islamophobic content and endorsement of racists when they're also transphobic, has been very widely noted.

Her ignorant, malicious comments about asexual people have travelled far as well.

Her reputation's in ruins. Most folk know her as someone who just keeps attacking trans people. And who hired Johnny Depp. But that campaign against a brown Muslim woman damaged her irreparably, as is right.

I see she reposted a repulsive, racist comment about Jason Arday earlier this week.

Good on those young people. Standing up against gleeful transphobia (and the rest) is what we're supposed to teach them.

And ‘asexual’? WTF is that all about??? If you don’t want we’d with people, don’t have sex with people. Why on earth would you publicise the fact, or call it an ‘identity’? It’s laughable oversharing.

DialSquare · 15/08/2026 14:57

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 15/08/2026 14:46

This was a reply to the tedious poster who called me a liar, btw.

But I guess lots of you defend that JKR repost. Outing yourselves as racists by attacking Khelif was a giveaway there.

Can't handle a cis Muslim woman being proud and strong rather than an object of Islsmophobic pity huh. What a surprise.

The only tedious one is you, continuing to post a load of bollocks. But I get it. If you didn’t go along with the nonsense, you’d have to look internally about affirming your daughter’s identify and what damage it could be causing her body. For what it’s worth, I hope she somehow escapes the issues taking wrong sex hormones can do to a body. But listening to others who have been down the same route, I sadly think she won’t escape without any issues.