"I don't need you to believe I'm a woman"...but I still get whatever I want

We don't strictly police toilet use, so it is indeed not that difficult to use an opposite sex toilet (which is not a criminal offence in the UK). I could waltz into the empty gents' if the queue for the ladies' is too long and nobody is going to arrest me.

However, I wouldn't have a right to be there and I could be asked to leave, and I should really consider that the toilet might not be empty and my presence next to the urinals might cause distress to men who have a right to be there.

Humans are good at judging sex, and everyone knows their own sex, so the system should work if we assume that people are honest and understand their impact on other people.

I don't know how one would live as a woman, or how one would organise toilets around how people 'live' and exclude people who 'live' in the wrong way. You seem to just be suggesting mixed sex toilets, which is fine, but is probably a difficult sell.

If someone that looks like a woman and dresses like a woman uses the ladies toilets who's to know if it's a man? If a person flaunts their masculinity while using the ladies toilets they should be chucked out. Otherwise what are you going to do a strip search at the door.

Men have been living as women and women as men forever it only becomes a problem when it becomes a problem.

God I hope so

One of the most bizarre things about the trans movement is the weird libertarian individualism at its heart and its reliance on very conservative gender stereotypes, the latter not just being ‘I like having long hair and wearing lipstick, therefore I’m a woman’, but also the idea that women should just budge up and make space for these guys even though it’s obviously detrimental to us. It’s place within progressivism feels very superficial and nothing more than pity-party politics (it’s not the only progressive cause where pity-party politics seems to be the main driver and I fail to see the actual progress).
It’s interesting that so many trans activists claim to be communists, I can’t think of anything less likely to be tolerated by an actual communist regime than something so focussed on the individual rather than the collective, it would be seen a waste of resources. No, you are not going to be a teacher/artist/poet, you’re physically healthy and require no medical treatment of any sort. Get back to the collective farm/tractor factory and shut up.

For those saying women’s spaces should be open to males because the US believes in freedom, I’ll start thinking American freedom is a real thing when I see them scrapping things like HOAs who’ll fine you if your lawn is slightly too long or they don’t like your garden furniture, or you’re not thrown into prison for having a miscarriage.
Freedom my arse.

You are referring to women who identify as men.

However, 'woman' is just a term that includes everyone in the group of people that menstruates, has miscarriages, requires sex specific fertility treatment, has sex specific cancers and other medical conditions, goes through menopause, breast feeds, experience discrimination because they might become pregnant, experience discrimination because they have been pregnant, relies on contraception and abortion rights to prevent pregnancy etc. etc., regardless of their identity.

You can pretend that all these things have no consequence and that we have no idea who might experience them, but that just leaves women in the dark ages.

🤣🤣🤣

Yes, their raging anorexia and co dependent/hate relationship is a great example for kids today.

Or were you being sarcastic? It's hard to tell sometimes.

I think it's satire

Wow. I just thought I’d read the latest post on this thread to see where it was going

10/10 for craziness, no notes

this is the <chef’s kiss> of bonkersness

<goes back to the previous page to try to figure out where the heck this has come from >

Some men are pregnant right now, many have even given birth. Look it up, do your own research.

There are no men, there are no women, we are all just people and different stages of sexual evolution.

"I didn't realise I could get pregnant, I thought we were on a different stage of sexual evolution"

Gender is just a modern social construct. The new generation of children are totally open about it, the wall of difference is almost gone. There are no men, there are no women, we are all just people at different stages of emotional and sexual evolution.

Cynthia Erivo and Ariana Grande have really helped change the pattern for the youth of tomorrow.

like they did with the systemic review of puberty blockers its beyond their expertise to adjudicate safety themselves not to mention the vulnerability to bias.

The government stepped in because it is very obvious that nobody has any expertise on the rationale behind or consequences of attempting to block puberty.

There is no expert body to refer to.

Literally the ONLY requirement to be a trans woman is to be a MAN! 🙄

Yet somehow there are states in America where it is impossible to get an abortion.

I prefer the British rights framework.

You simply don’t have a right to privacy in your sex.

The statutory existence of services and facilities divided by sex mandates that your sex cannot be private. That’s the end of the matter.

Your transgender status is yours to reveal as you see fit: if you’re a man you can keep private the fact that you do or don’t identify as a woman. You’re not entitled to keep secret that you are man, or mutatis mutandis a woman.

So what? I’ve been one of those women. I’ve been challenged in the ladies’ loos. No, my privacy was not trampled in any way. I was glad to be challenged. It is right and proper than women should challenge anybody they perceive as potentially male in a female space. And I said so, while they were apologising for challenging a woman in a women’s space.

The people scrutinising bodies in a women’s space are also women. They are not ogling or judging beauty stereotypes. They are not looking for their sexual gratification. Any males caught out this way should feel uncomfortable, because they have no right to be there.

Nothing childish about this observation.

The whole transgenderist ideology is nothing less than a childish tantrum.

Oops sorry dark I cross posted with you. Very slowly as I was processing the WTF-ness of it all!

"But here’s the thing: I like lesbian orgies, my sex-worker friends, and my natural baritone voice that juxtaposes strangely (for most people) with my 540 cc breast implants. I long ago realized that passing as a cis woman was not possible for me — and I wasn’t willing to put in the work even if it were. I’m trans, I’m odd, and I don’t have much interest in hiding either fact."

Spoken like a true lady. Obviously one of the most vulnerable and oppressed kind. And not a fetish.

Why won't you bigots let him watch you in the changing rooms?

'.....as done for religion.'

Can you imagine what this bloke's cult religion would be like? Here's a taster.....

I like lesbian orgies, my sex-worker friends, and my natural baritone voice that juxtaposes strangely (for most people) with my 540 cc breast implants.

They don't think past the abolishment, so have not worked out why we have prisons.

We are living in very dangerous times where amateur popular opinion is considered a viable replacement for expertise.

I agree with those words, thegoodnews.
It is dangerous that a movement which is based on the non-factual amateur opinion [not very popular though, in either meaning of the word] that TWAW and TMAM, has had such disproportionate and damaging effect on so many areas of society - media, education, legislation, medicine, even language itself.

Incredible, really. But there are signs that reliable, observable, provable facts about human sex are regaining ground on unscientific, post-factual, 'true because I say so' amateur popular opinion.

Being polite about the bodily scrutiny of women doesn't change the fact its the bodily scrutiny of women.

Excuse me, would you terribly mind if trampled all over your privacy & made a public wild guess about your sex & asked you to leave based on stereotypes?

Informed by clinicians being the operative words.

Saying “excuse me this is the ladies toilet” is hardly equivalent to a true police state though, like the Stasi or the KGB, is it?

Of course politicians have to get involved in health matters eg Covid quarantine rules, fertility / abortion laws etc. Informed by clinicians for sure but entirely appropriate for elected representatives to make decisions about what is allowed or not.