JKR offers to fund any nurse or female patient legal fees

This concentration on toilets is TRA framing, partly used because it's easy to call women unkind, or whatever, for just letting a "vulnerable" TiM share facilities briefly. Important not to let that stay as the focus.

Allowing men to use women's toilets is the gateway to men accessing women's changing rooms, rape crisis centres, prisons... It's the other way round from the Denton's playbook approach whereby if you can get males into female prisons all the other protected spaces for women will fall away.

What, like your intelligently crafted "deranged billionaire" and "GC ideological captives"?

Ahh

“Cartoon villain at this point”

more projection

The NHS should really know better - it will cost them dearly as it has already.
It is not just about toilets!! it is about all single sex provision.

Why are TW unsafe in mens loos anyway? Haven't heard of TW being hassled? Unless anyone knows? Maybe it's as my colleague says 'they could be ridiculed'
As for calling JKR deranged, perhaps should sue!

Edited to say I'm not sure the use of howse needed correction.

Oh dear, you really have lost touch with reality haven’t you sir?

In other words she wants to use her money to sue trans people or anyone supportive of trans people.

Cartoon villain at this point.

She is wonderful. Deluded TRAs calling her deranged is just down to wishful thinking. Unfortunately for them, she’s as far from deranged as you can get.

I'm so greatful to her that she's willing to use her wealth in this way. I hate that women's rights have always had to be fought for, never just assumed, how can they be up for debate? So I hate that this needs to be the case, but I'm glad there is someone like her who can step into the breach. I went to a women's health clinic a few years back, and had inappropriate treatment by a man who didn't identify as such. I was in a vulnerable position, literraly, and was too scared to speak up. it led to an A&E visit afterward. JK has the back of those who aren't afraid to speak up, that's a powerful and brave partnership.

This and, I think, millions of people watching a couple of men punching women in the face and getting gold medals for it. The general population couldn't pretend it wasn't an issue any more.

I commend JKR for all the work she has done, the absolutely batshittery, threats and violence she has had to endure and for putting her money where her mouth is. She has been explicitly clear about what issues she has and kept going. That is why she couldn't be cancelled, unlike other celebs who say they are "kind" but don't demonstrate it.

Absolutely agree...

but to save even more money they can simply tell them to use the loos that already exist - the male ones...

we know from years of discussion, from the studies done, from the evidence gathered that there is no evidence of risk to a man pretending to be a woman ('trans woman'), in a male loo / space... whereas there is risk to women having men in their space.

we also have very clear signs that for the vast majority of those shouting about it, it is performative anger designed to get their way - it is based on no substance, and the argument is really about validation as a 'woman' or wanting access to women when they are vulnerable

so, no good reasons being shared - so they can crack on using the facilities that already exist and save even more money!

I approve of NHS bodies obeying the law. Two of them ( Fife and Durham and Darlington) have already spent/wasted literally hundreds of thousands of pounds defying the law. Trans identified men- who appear to be the members of the "trans community" shouting loudest, will be a tiny tiny proportion of their staff. They can set aside one unisex loo.

She is amazing ❤, someone who really has women's backs.

The police won't get involved for trespass, but they could if a public order offence were committed, which might sometimes be the case. I don't know where the threshold is for such offences.

I ❤️ JKR and agree @Imdunfer I don’t think she wants to fund a single case. It’s getting the message across to every single NHS Trust that they need to obey the law. It’s unacceptable that women are being raped in the name of DEI, that nurses are forced to strip in front of men in order to work and that the institutional response to questions is to bully, harass and intimidate any woman raising objections. Frankly all trusts should have already decided to obey the law but for those who have decided it’s optional because it’s hard for an individual middle aged nurse to take on the might of the NHS here’s a stick. In the old days this is what decent unions would do when their members were threatened or put at risk.

Who needs people like M J Murphy to eludicate? TRA posters are doing the work themselves here in the constant highlighting of their favoured talking points, which are so far from actual arguments they could be called transarguments.

It's getting easier to spot. When the cardinal questions are ignored, every time we are told that we (or JKR, ofc) should sort out this or that other issue rather than the one that concerns us, I don't even glance over to see the 🐿any more. Which saves effort.

Operating mixed sex changing rooms for their female staff is obscene.

And it would not cost much to put right.

They could sort it in a week there are so few trans people affected. One small alternative room to change in is all that is needed. Leave female staff to change and toilet in privacy.

@KindViper Asking a trans people to use a third toilet would out them as trans and breach their human rights,

Not if all the wonderful trans allies show their support and use the gender neutral toilets. I am surprised all the lovely trans allies haven’t started a campaign to stand up and support transpeople by using GN facilities.

I mean, I imagine the business law community would be surprised … but apparently it is not ‘law’ unless a criminal case can be shown. I reckon that all these business law books floating around need to be changed.

JKR can put her money where she wants which is great. This is very helpful.

However let us remember even without her eventually the trans stuff would have been defeated.

JKR peaked around 2019 because she thought something was dodgy in the increasingly powerful concept of gender theory. She read what other women were already saying on the matter and realised they were right.

That existing discussion was created by thousands of women including many on Mumsnet in articles. books etc. JKR herself always says this. She is part of a movement which pre-existed her and was already fighting back. Without JKR it would take longer but sooner or later we would start tearing this nonsense down.

Yet denial of the existence of biology is incredibly dumb, it was always going to collapse eventually. A key part is playing out right now. The trans activists have always had a number of flaws, but one of the biggest is that they can only win as long as they focus on oppressing women. If they do anything to inconvenience or upset men they run into serious resistance which they can't handle.

Hence the growing collapse of their attempt to take over women's sport. It has already happened at the Olympic level, but it is falling apart everywhere. Because telling other men they are not stronger than women as soon as they put a dress on or say they are trans is going to upset them. They treat as a joke for a while but sooner or later they are going do something especially if a lot of women point out how stupid it is.

They all have that same slightly arch, 'calm down dear', 'hmmmm?' posting style, that's what interests me (in the absence of anything actually interesting in their arguments).

It's standard mansplaining with extra misogyny, I think. Extra egregious given the absolute mince they're posting.

Is there a school?