Janice Turner in the Times today

Well, if there’s no safety to be found in women’s loos then transwomen’s arguments they need to use them because they feel unsafe in the men’s is a nonsense, isn’t it?

There's a reason CSA offenders hide within the anti-trans community, as they do within any group which regularly discusses children's safety.

You seem a bit muddled. What do you mean by the anti trans community? Is it those women who just tell men that no you don't belong in this space? They will say that to any man who transgresses the boundaries.

I need to correct myself here - we would like to say it to any man transgressing the boundaries but most of us don't have the courage so we wait until the man is out of the way. It's irrelevant whether he wears a frock or not.

These are two issues, and most of us can hold them in our minds concurrently.

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What part of "it's men, however they identify" gives you trouble, @TransParentlyAnnoyed ? We are very concerned about male violence against women and girls. We are, at the same time, concerned with the safety, privacy and dignity of women and girls in single sex spaces.

There are two sexes, and only one of them is responsible for almost all attacks on women. Their gender identity is irrelevant, it's their sex that matters to us.

A couple of really great places to wait for women and girls to be alone, and feeling less vigilant, is women's toilets and changing rooms. So the push towards allowing all men to claim the right of entry into women's single-sex spaces has really reduced the effort involved in being a voyeur who wants to watch or film women and girls when they're least vigilant and most vulnerable.

Why would a society want to make it easier for men like this? Why not make it harder?

Single-sex spaces aren't entirely pervert-proof but when they're used properly, and the social contract is intact so that both sexes respect and enforce the boundaries involved, it makes it a damn sight harder for men to predate on women and girls.

And I do not want to be supporting anything that makes the lives of male perverts easier. We know that men who ignore women's boundaries in favour of their own wishes and desires are dangerous.

Good men stay out so that bad men stand out.

It might help if we could tell the difference between "cis"-identified male offenders and "trans" - identified male offenders.

Anyone like to jump in and give us a quick tutorial, so we can easily spot the bad ones by sight?

Anyone?

Yeah that's really constructive. So long as the pretence continues that trans people (a tiny minority) who use cubicles alongside cis are the problem, the issue of cis male violence can be entirely avoided.

Sex offenders go where they want in public places. They place cameras, wait for women and children to be alone. And are likely to get a suspended sentence in the unlikely event they're prosecuted.

There's a reason CSA offenders hide within the anti-trans community, as they do within any group which regularly discusses children's safety.

Yes exactly. No rights have been removed from trans people. The rights of women have merely been restored to where they belong.

Not taking something that isn’t yours it not a compromise.

Google tells me that these are the key social issues facing South Derbyshire, Niblett's constituency. Bet her constituents are darn glad they've got her plugging away for them in Westminster

@BernardBlacksMolluscs
Please tell me this double entendre was deliberate 😂

So asking someone to leave a space they have no legal right to be in is breaking the law?

Makes no sense to me.

From her article: "But maybe Green councils like Southwark regard laws they don’t agree with as optional. (If so, I have thoughts about the Local Government Finance Act 1992, under which my council tax is levied.)"

My question, like Turner's, is can anyone play?

I've posted something similar on another thread but I think this repetition of words such as 'complicated' and 'unworkable' is to establish a narrative. I think the hope is that, if the words are used enough, they will be remembered and - regardless of whether or not they're correct - accepted as true, thereby creating an environment where a push to reconsider the Equality Act would be heard sympathetically.

It really irritates me every time someone describes the law/guidance as so complicated.

For a decent sized leisure centre that already has male, female and gender neutral (family) changing rooms - what exactly is complicated?

“Plugging away for them” 😱

no mention of dildos, weirdly

Google tells me that these are the key social issues facing South Derbyshire, Niblett's constituency. Bet her constituents are darn glad they've got her plugging away for them in Westminster

Housing and Infrastructure

• Affordability and Growth: High demand and new housing developments mean younger residents struggle to buy homes in their local villages.
• Public Services: Rapid population expansion places heavy strain on local infrastructure, leading to overcrowded schools and difficulties accessing nearby GPs and dentists.

Health and Wellbeing

• Health Inequalities: Significant gaps in life expectancy exist between affluent areas and more deprived urban pockets (such as parts of Newhall and Swadlincote).
• Physical Inactivity: High rates of physical inactivity among adults and rising childhood obesity create long-term public health hurdles.

Transport and Isolation

• Rural Isolation: Limited public transport connectivity in remote parts of the district makes it harder for non-drivers to reach vital services like hospitals and general practices.
• Social Isolation: Dispersed rural settlements heighten the risk of loneliness and isolation for vulnerable or older residents

blimey
https://x.com/spectator/status/2081668426901139855

But he was in the women's cricket team for 10 years before Stonewall decided to start getting into trans rights. So I don't think you can blame Stonewall for this one - it's totally on the man himself. He presumably got into the team because he was good at cricket. He was good at cricket largely because he had a male advantage - strong, fast bowling, strong batting, etc. Very nice for him to get into a team so easily, and no doubt the male advantage helped him to become captain too. Maybe a woman would have liked to join the team, and wasn't able to because all places were filled? And his team performed well against other teams in part because they had a man in the team. So I wouldn't shed too many tears for him. He has spent 20 years helping his team to cheat by pretending to be a women's team rather than a mixed team. And he knew exactly what he was doing.

I did wonder about the john lewis dildos, but i've been taking a leave of absence and assumed you lot all knew what that was about

to google..

She offers no solution to reconciling trans and women’s rights, just rails against hateful gender critical feminists to signify that she/her, Niblett, flogger of John Lewis dildos, is among the sainted few.

Flogger of dildos. John Lewis dildos at that! How have I never heard of this?

yeah, my sympathy for a man who is pretending he has changed sex and consequently transgressing women's boundaries is severely limited I'm afraid

unless he is completely psychotic, he will understand that he has not changed sex. In which case he knew he was wrong (or should have done)

They had a sincerely held belief that they were not cheating. They've lost a sport they loved playing and it's thrown their entire social life up in the air.

Sorry, but why didn't he play for a men's team?
Not good enough? Train harder then. Or not accepted by other men? Then up to him to try to educate the other men. Not dump the problem on women.

I assume that the Captain is in a playing position, which makes it very nice for the team he is on, and not as good for those he's playing against. Maybe the opposing team could press a spare man into their team also?

I hope he recognises that it’s Stonewall’s fault.

I used to know a TIM who played for his local women’s croquet team and I expect he’s very upset too.

They had a sincerely held belief that they were not cheating. They've lost a sport they loved playing and it's thrown their entire social life up in the air. They were shat on along with others in this whole mess that Stonewall created.