Triggernometry KJK vs Helen Webbererly

This was on TRIGGERNOMETRY. The audience are used to KK and FF and many of them would have watched their RAW weekly sessions where they were so rude and offensive they had to stop doing it outside of subscribers. I don't even know if they do it for subscribers any more.

Delicate little flowers do not watch Trig.

Women have been making these arguments for years. The same arguments over and over and are still asked but what about the poor TW who just want to pee. Women like KJK, SD, HJ, MF, EH,JB,KS are very educated on these matters and the time for being kind is long gone. HW is a nutter and can't be allowed to get away with this dangerous nonsense.

She reminds me a lot of a conman I worked with briefly back in the 90s (before he was rumbled), just so slippery no question is answered clearly.

Then my favourite part of the debate - when Helen Webberly went on to smugly list the problems of a lack of estrogen. Many of these problems are curiously problems that girls who have been on puberty blockers or testosterone seem to suffer.

She was so intent on getting personal with kjk that she ended up making her point for her, having totally dismissed it just minutes earlier.

Absolutely @Lottapianos. HW is just nasty.

'When KJK said she isn’t on HRT, HW said ‘Oh, see you in ten years!’ It sounded like she was saying that she thought not being on HRT was a mistake. In a sort of ‘good luck with that!’ kind of a way.'

It was absolutely appalling for her to bring up KJK's age, menopausal status or medical situation in any way at all, let alone sneering at KJK's informed decision about her healthcare. That's just not something any ethical, serious, legitimate healthcare professional would do, ever. She's a total disgrace

According to Google, KJK is 52 and HW is 57.

When KJK said she isn’t on HRT, HW said ‘Oh, see you in ten years!’ It sounded like she was saying that she thought not being on HRT was a mistake. In a sort of ‘good luck with that!’ kind of a way.

Well spotted!

As KJK said, she constantly changes the goalposts. See also HW's fondness for telling both Konstantin and KJK that they're 'confused'. It's a tactic.

And, moreover, one which can now be instantly shut down with that insightful observation.

Ha!
Makes perfect sense in upside-down bizarro world I suppose

She's TEN YEARS YOUNGER THAN KJK? fuck me! The grift really ages you I guess.

I am very wary of people who use ‘young person’ instead of ‘children’ when they are also discussing the agency of those children to make decisions that will have serious negative impact on their body’s health for their life when they currently have a healthy body.

Or who discusses ‘young people’s consent’.

Brilliant!
The contradiction in her approach between arguing with adults and the way she presents herself as having serious and effective conversations with eight-year-olds pretty much sums up her style. Charlatan to the core.
Not to mention the fact that she would contradict herself in the twinkling of an eye, almost immediately.

it's so strange that she thinks people who are 'non-medics' can't have an opinion on this but 8 year olds can.

HW really irritated me with that nasty little swipe about being 10 years younger than KJK, as in being 10 years behind her in terms of menopause. All the while KJK sat there looking fabulous, while HW looked like she spent the morning scrubbing pub toilets. If she thinks she's got youth on her side she's even more deluded than I thought.

Oh golly she is arguing that in the future as long as we stop puberty this will cease to be a problem.

HW is on Piers Morgan, uncensored right now on trans in sport.

She has not spoken yet.

Not a fan of Piers but on this subject is great.

strange bedfellows, hey ho

1. It's possible to say a woman is rude, aggressive or bullying without it being sexist – just as it's possible to say a black Cambridge professor is a serial fantasist and plagiarist without it being racist.

2. It's possible to admire what a public figure stands for, while at the same time wishing they didn't harm their own case by sounding rude and unhinged. What I've said about me going to KJK's meetings etc is true.

Nah KJK came across as challenging HW narrative of bullshit.

i personally think that women who challenge in an assertive way, being described as rude or a bully is just downright sexist.

i do not believe your narrative about who you are by the way.

Nah, her manner was incredulous and right on top of HW's ridiculous claims. HW came across as clueless and patronising - she might have got away with it a few years ago but people are much more aware of what puberty blockers actually mean for children, and they're horrified.

Just finished watching it. Thoroughly enjoyed it, if I'm honest 😄

KJK did the same thing that she did with Harrop, just sat back smiling and let HW bury herself.

I don't think Webberley realises how much more clued up people are about this now.

Trying to pretend that you go through the puberty of the opposite sex was very stupid.

People know you can't do that.

But, personally, I bet Webberley lost practically every single person watching that with the assertion that KJK misgendering an unnamed transwoman had committed a hate crime. And that really, anything of the same nature should be an imprisonable offence.

Including hosting her on the very programme that Webberley herself chose to be platformed 😄

Konstantin had a lot of fun with that one.

That's a problem when you're trying to convince a general public who pick up on vibes more than content.

Why would anyone watch a 1.5 hour debate and not listen to the content?

Maybe so. But the majority of the public pick up more on vibes than content, and I felt KJK came across in this debate as a bully.

I agree with what she says. I've attended her events in Hyde Park. I've been in the studio audience when she's been on Free Speech Nation. But her manner in this interview was rude and aggressive. That's a problem when you're trying to convince a general public who pick up on vibes more than content.

People who pick up on vibes and don’t notice content are shallow and haven’t learned to think or form their own opinions.

That's what she does. She picks up on some perceived lack of knowledge in her opponent and then rams it home time and time again, "you're not a doctor are you? Are you a doctor? Are you a medical doctor? No. So you have no right to make any assertions about this," and so on and so on. It is attack as the best form of defence.