Pissed you can't piss in peace

Or even Ian Bullock or Kurtis Mawson. Both men entered women’s toilets and claimed they were transwomen for the duration they were in the women’s toilets.

Nobody can ever answer that one.

Again, how would we tell the difference between a 'safe' TIM and Katie Dolatowski, Tiffany Scott, Paris Green or any other man?

My daughter a HCP (heavily indoctrinated) said to me what about the transexuals, i just said i really don’t care.

as any other explanation is a waste of oxygen, and i am all for saving the environment.

I'm so done with this.

It's nothing to do with someone's trans status. I just want men to stay out of places, events, organisations etc etc that are specifically for women.

Past that I give not one single shiny fuck if some men find themselves upset or angry that they can no longer do what they want without push back. Tough shit.

Skipped forward as only just joined this thread. It may be someone else has posted the same thought.

So the OP appears to me to be a man pretending to be a woman who will go out of they/them/she way to defend a man pretending to be a woman using a female space.

very Pythonesque.

Is that you mr Cleese?

It is so very obvious, that it isn't about the 'just want to pee' is it? It's the Validation!!! Why can't people see this?

Anyone who offers to 'escort' trans identifying men into a womens' loo is a serious risk to women. Telling anyone who objects to 'back off' indeed- mate, back off yourself. Men- keep out of womens spaces.

And please don't anyone suggest using disabled loos- they are needed for disabled people. There are few enough about as it is.

New to MN? Why not read 'break it down for me' or 'that never happens' on FWR? Then maybe the same old daft questions might not come up.
Though I doubt it

@IntolerantOfIntolerance - women had to campaign and fight for public loos - until then, they couldn’t go far from home unless they knew they could find a private toilet to use - it’s called the urinary leash. Men did not care that women had NO public loos - in fact they actively fought against them.

Trans people have the right to use the toilet of their biological sex, and if they are not happy with that, they have the right to campaign and fight for gender neutral toilets. What they do not have the right to do is to barge in and appropriate the rights that women fought so hard for - the right to privacy, safety and dignity in public loos.

I am a female (born Female) and I want to use Female toilets/changing areas that are EXCLUSIVELY for females.

In Europe there are mixed sex facilities available and I'm OK with that.

Oh what a shame, I was going to look out a hat.

S/he seems to have rejected our joint proposal. Wedding's off, folks!

Also some transwomen do pass, though it’s extremely rare.

the ones that annoy me the most are the ones who just look like men who are wearing dresses with no modifications or effort at all.

Thank you.

We need more of this.

Meanwhile, 'trans men' and women with other creative gender identities are welcome in women's single sex spaces.

I agree they aren’t women and shouldn’t be in women’s spaces. But I think the situation has become utterly mindless of late wrt to the entitlement that ‘ trans’ people have now. At one time people who were genuinely trans were not shouting the odds.

Did OP not come back for his 'engagement', then?

Oh FFS.
Do you really have to have this explained to you?

Has anyone on FWR logged 'Witless comments' on one axis against 'University vacations/ schools hols' on the other?

@KG74 I mean, we are all walking phenotypes, even cis people, and to assume that there are no deviations from a hard-line biological distinction set out in genetic code seems un-scientific and unreasonable to expect in an age that has long-since accepted nature V's nature is a false distinction.

Oh, we know that there are 'deviations from a hard-line biological distinction set out in genetic code'.

As it happens, I know someone who has a 'deviation' from the usual 'hard-line biological distinction set out in genetic code'. He has a DSD.

He is still a bloke. He looks and sounds like a bloke.

DSDs have nothing to do with trans.

So you are intending to defend the right to 'piss in peace' by going into the toilets and causing disruption? OK. That makes perfect sense.

I am beginning to feel that this thread was specifically composed to vex me.

Infamy, infamy, they've all got it in-for-me!

No such thing as cis. Since sex is binary, dimorphic and immutable, trans-identifying people remain members oif their birth sex, regardless of medication or presentation.

Oi! that's offensive to us badgers!
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I need the accessible toilet due to disability. They can stay the fuck out of those too.

I think the poster was trying to be sarcastic and shame us. Pity it didn't work.

I agree with you about toilets for people with disabilities.

As a disabled woman I can't agree with this.
They can use their own loos like everyone else

This is obvs a stupid question, but where are the men with a public profile saying that they are happy to welcome any man, however he presents, into male single sex spaces and pledging to leave them well alone to get on with their business? A 'you can pee next to me' for men. A 'be kind' moment for men

Andy Burnham could lead on this for example

I know, I know 🙄