Pissed you can't piss in peace

Well it won’t improve the situation will it?!

besides, while the iniquity of time waiting for different loos is a real issue, it is not the main reason why men are not allowed in the women’s loos - they are for women only and men are not and can never be women.

What about the need for women to have comfort, privacy and dignity? Do none of those matter?

I don’t recognise the term cis. It’s meaningless. If you’re going to differentiate, how about using either ‘actual’ or ‘biological’?

Given we know from data gathered in council run leisure facilities that rape and sexual assault is significantly more common in mixed sex facilities than in single sex ones single sex facilities seem a good idea

given we know from prison data that transgender women commit sexual offences as readily as other men, treating them as women sounds stupid

why on earth would we be happy to convert single sex spaces into mixed sex ones? What rational would there be to exclude other men ?

given we know women are much more like to to suffer ( sexual related ) trauma than just about any thing else in society ( women are more likely to have pstd than soldiers ) why on earth would we dismiss that and say “it’s their problem to get their mental health fixed “ rather than offer some support and privacy whilst they are on that journey ?

how many born and raised as women would actually not give another women their own space if they was asked ?

they don’t just what to piss - they want to piss on our rights and our dignity

The problem with your (lack of) logic is that there is actually no such thing as trans.

no one has an issue with people taking hormones or even mutilating themselves with surgery (though it is terribly sad that anyone’s mental health takes them to that place and we would all rather see that mental health being treated)

just don’t pretend that you are the opposite sex.

if born a man, it doesn’t matter what you do you will remain a man, maybe a man with surgery or the results of hormones, but still a man. As a man you are not allowed in women only spaces - and you have no need as there are plenty of men only spaces for you to use… therefore the only reason to want to use women only spaces is to intimidate women or worse.

if born a women the same applies - you might take hormones or have surgery but you are still a woman - biological sex is immutable. There is no issue with periods in public - we have female only loos - use them… If the changes you make to yourself are going to cause issues, then consider that before making those changes - you need to take responsibility for the outcome of your own choices…

so there is no such thing as trans because sex is immutable - male remains male / female remains female - so use the spaces designed for you - they are labelled with your biological sex and there are no issues - you have as many facilities as anyone else..,

Always baffled by the presumption that TW can’t possibly use the men’s toilets presumably because men are unpredictable and violent, but actual women aren’t afforded the same courtesy. Make it make sense!!!

Telling women they have no right to their own spaces, that they can't maintain their own boundaries, that their consent doesn't matter - that's what incels do.

Is that what you're going for @TransParentlyAnnoyed?

No policing of appearance. Just clear rules and the expectation of honesty.

(The Good Law Project has suggested that toilets should be segregated by ‘lived gender’ which does suggest uncertainty and policing of appearance).

Per the legislation, toilets are single sex to protect privacy, not to prevent rape.

I suspect that keeptoiletssafe has already explained the ins and outs of toilet design to you, but if you think toilets should be mixed sex you are free to make that case.
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There is no way to define ‘trans’ in a way that excludes anyone, so the only choices are mixed sex or single sex spaces.

You can certainly make an argument for mixed sex spaces, but there is no point forcing provision of single sex spaces that anyone can use.

I really don’t know what you are suggesting instead.

A GREAT SHORT EXPLANATION AS TO WHY ‘PASSING’ CANNOT WORK

https://x.com/loudbonnet/status/2015445855268979095?s=46

“I think it's pretty hopeless to defend women-only prisons except by saying no men, ever. That's the only principled position.”

“Of/c the male prison estate has to keep vulnerable men safe, but feminised men are not by any means the only vulnerable men. I don't see how one could ever justify using vulnerable female prisoners as a human shield for a subcategory of men.”

“And "passing" men are the worst problem of all. It's positively sadistic to say to women "everyone else here is a woman, or else so like a woman that you won't be able to tell". What could be more calculated to foster permanent hyper-vigilance in the already-traumatised?”

No, the ruling and guidance confirm that they must have provision.

Some transsexuals do pass. They are the ones you don’t see.

And still nobody has ever actually shown us one of those mythical passing transwomen. You'd think at least one of them would be prepared to take one for the team and out themselves for the greater good.

Cheers for showing just how fucked trans people are in the UK.

Take hormones and have surgery, get condemned by transphobes.

Don't do it, get told you're not a 'real' trans person and haven't made enough effort to pass.

Also: trans men exist, jfc. This ruling greatly affects how easy it is for them to cope with periods in public.

Because transphobes also get angry when tampons and sanitary bins are made available in the Gents.

This, exactly.

As if very occasional trans women standing in that queue are the real issue.

“Piss off” is the rational response to this nonsense.

Yeah, exactly.

No cis woman is helped by this ridiculous pretence that rape in unlocked, unsafe public spaces can be prevented by policing appearance.

It's rape apologia and rape myth.

https://x.com/gaynotqueer1/status/2044385499138212328?s=46

Lef’s not forget this recent video of a man talking about trauma is very illustrative also.

He is saying in this interview that female people in Germany saying that because they were sexual violence victims they cannot be in a space they expect to be female sex only with a male with a penis as it is triggering is not ‘a rational political position’.

He then says that it should be recognised as a ‘disturbing trauma response’ and that the female person ‘who desperately needs therapy for sexual assault’.

He then says that he cannot understand the situation where it is allowable to say “*I am this, therefore you must do this, has led to this situation. I can understand why someone might be afraid, but I try to not make my trauma other people’s problem’.

He then talks about the ‘feminine penis’.

This is a man who simply self destructed the arguments for himself and others to use female single sex provisions based on safety.

And the other man who was interviewing him simply nodded along and agreed.

You really cannot make this up.

Operation: Let them speak!

I am sure there will be more examples of male people who are keen on telling women on social media that they will ignore female people’s consent….

Great thread OP!

https://x.com/mrmennotweets/status/2085026257775817185?s=46

Here are some more.

I mean, it highlights exactly the point that these male people have no intention of recognising female people’s consent on this issue. There is a word for that kind of behaviour.

(Of course, when women use that word to describe that behaviour they are then accused falsely of saying ‘all TW are like that’ by posters who can only think in polarised positions.)

Exactly this

Piss in peace in the men's OP. Leave women alone.

Women can now in full confidence know a man should not be present, that he has no legal right, and service providers will be asked to remove him. They don't need 'proof' he's a man, it's irrelevant.

If he kicks off, he'll be handled as any other service user kicking off/being unpleasant to staff and other service users, with banning from the space and the police called if necessary.

The police will probably at most have a word, but they will require him to leave the women's space, and repeat breaking of this boundary quite on purpose with the total disregard for women, the law, the service provider or anything but himself, will eventually wear out all good will I should think. Again I'm reminded of the naked rambler. Repeatedly cautioned, stopped, arrested, he's got to do it through some odd need of his own.

Third spaces have to be provided, the guidance is clear. No one left without a space. The problem for IW and other such activist men is that this includes women. The requirement to respect and tolerate women who need single sex provision.

We're down to the core of it now: the utter loathing and despising of women, the wish to punish and exclude the ones who won't serve, and the determination to quite literally piss on their territory. Not much to sympathise with there.

@IntolerantOfIntolerance….

Meanwhile we stagger on. If you want backup using a toilet I’m yours. I’ll walk into the ladies with you and tell people to back the fuck off if I have to. I will walk into the men’s too if I have to, so everyone is scandalised at me while you get a chance to sneak in and have a piss in peace. The situation is ludicrous - what I can do is a drop in the ocean, but drop I will.

Have you posted on the right forum? It seems you might have thought you were addressing Trans identifying men. You silly sausage….

Well i would be up for that one even though being four foot eleven and three quarters.

I am very feminine in appearance, without make up or any due effort to, well look girly or womanly.

my additional advantage is i am a gobby fucker, of diminutive height.

Luckily where i live in the Provences we don’t have much of a problem

presumably the trans peeps are mostly at home vacuuming in swirly dresses or some other such activity on line.

Geezo. Where did the bizarre underwear detail come from?!

Most women won't make a peep if an angry weirdo plants himself at the sink and glares at them.

Grey rock all the way.

He is absolutely gagging for an unpleasant confrontation with a woman