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Pissed you can't piss in peace

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IntolerantOfIntolerance · 05/08/2026 13:30

Being trans right now is to be institutionally discriminated against. It’s having to worry about where and when you can go to the loo. Which is fucking outrageous. That this should happen under a so called Labour government is unforgivable.

Meanwhile we stagger on. If you want backup using a toilet I’m yours. I’ll walk into the ladies with you and tell people to back the fuck off if I have to. I will walk into the men’s too if I have to, so everyone is scandalised at me while you get a chance to sneak in and have a piss in peace. The situation is ludicrous - what I can do is a drop in the ocean, but drop I will.

Maybe I need to print myself a t-shirt that says fighting for the freedom to piss in peace. I don’t know. The world is on fire both metaphorically and literally, yet of all the things one could do a big chunk of people have chosen to gang up on a vulnerable minority. It’s like watching people dig their own graves.

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murasaki · 05/08/2026 13:55

Amazing how these new posters magically found FWR today, isn't it. Welcome! You will learn a lot.

HopeMumsnet · 05/08/2026 13:55

IntolerantOfIntolerance · 05/08/2026 13:45

Thank you for your rational response, although the very fact there have been reports - rather than serious engagement - hugely underlines the major issue to which I'm alluding 🙄

Ah no, to be very clear, reports are essential to the wellbeing of the site.
Please, everyone, keep making reports when you see something that concerns you.
And, again this message to everyone, please keep to the usual rules and engage in good faith on our site.

ShortFatHairyLegs · 05/08/2026 13:54

I'm surprised that a thread that seems to be hinting at violence against service users who wish to comply with the law is something that MN wants to allow for discussion and engagement.

Imdunfer · 05/08/2026 13:53

IntolerantOfIntolerance · 05/08/2026 13:30

Being trans right now is to be institutionally discriminated against. It’s having to worry about where and when you can go to the loo. Which is fucking outrageous. That this should happen under a so called Labour government is unforgivable.

Meanwhile we stagger on. If you want backup using a toilet I’m yours. I’ll walk into the ladies with you and tell people to back the fuck off if I have to. I will walk into the men’s too if I have to, so everyone is scandalised at me while you get a chance to sneak in and have a piss in peace. The situation is ludicrous - what I can do is a drop in the ocean, but drop I will.

Maybe I need to print myself a t-shirt that says fighting for the freedom to piss in peace. I don’t know. The world is on fire both metaphorically and literally, yet of all the things one could do a big chunk of people have chosen to gang up on a vulnerable minority. It’s like watching people dig their own graves.

It’s having to worry about where and when you can go to the loo. Which is fucking outrageous.

Now you know how women who are afraid of sharing their spaces with people with male genitals feel.

LizzieSiddal · 05/08/2026 13:52

Why is it all about loos? This guidance also applies to many other places including prison and rape crisis centres. Remember Karen White, the rapist put in a female prison because he said he was trans,
halfway through police investigations? Lo and behold he goes and sexually assaults four women!! Who’d have thought it eh!!

This guidance ensures that will never happen again, I want to know why every right thinking person is not supporting it.

DeanElderberry · 05/08/2026 13:51

Everyone has a right to use a loo, just as they always have had.

The law has clarified which loo they should use - in other words, just as it always was, the one for their own sex. Their gender is irrelevant. It's their sex that matters. It always was.

The only thing that will stop using the loo being a peaceful experience for anyone is if they turn it into a territorial attack.

Men (members of the male sex) using a loo to launch a territorial attack on women (members of the female sex) are not promoting peace.

Women (members of the female sex) using a loo to launch a territorial attack on men (members of the male sex) are not promoting peace.

OP, your post stating you will fight people and swear at people suggests you do not actually want peace.

HelpmaBoabb · 05/08/2026 13:51

I'd suggest you think very carefully about using the women's toilets if you are a man (and you sound like you are). There are lots of male partners who have taken a long time to waken up to the dangers of males in female toilets and who are not happy at all. Just saying.

Seriestwo · 05/08/2026 13:50

Palomiino · 05/08/2026 13:48

If you’re a genuine transsexual with gender dysphoria, you would have put effort into passing as the opposite sex and nobody would question you.

I would.

i can always tell, and the space is reserved for females.

its not for him.

murasaki · 05/08/2026 13:50

Your use of 'pissed' implies you are American, so surely it's not your problem?

GreyskySexRealistsky · 05/08/2026 13:49

IntolerantOfIntolerance · 05/08/2026 13:45

Thank you for your rational response, although the very fact there have been reports - rather than serious engagement - hugely underlines the major issue to which I'm alluding 🙄

Calls for "serious engagement" but states that "a big chunk of people have chosen to gang up on a vulnerable minority"

Oh the hyperbole.

No. Women want their spaces back. Girls want their spaces back. Men who care about women and girls want them to have their spaces back.

Just piddle in the right pot for your sex. It's not difficult.

Palomiino · 05/08/2026 13:48

If you’re a genuine transsexual with gender dysphoria, you would have put effort into passing as the opposite sex and nobody would question you.

SidewaysOtter · 05/08/2026 13:46

Just use the loos for your biological sex, there’s a good chap.

You’re not being discriminated against, you’ve got the same rights as everyone else. What you haven’t got is the extra privileges you’ve demanded.

As for “the world being on fire”, maybe dial down the hyperbole. Life’s calmer that way.

IntolerantOfIntolerance · 05/08/2026 13:45

HopeMumsnet · 05/08/2026 13:41

Just to say thanks for the reports about this thread. We think it likely that people will want to post about the EHRC guidance coming into force. From our perspective it's not really up to us to dictate how they feel about it, so we wouldn't automatically remove a thread that raises the issue, even if provocatively proposed. It's up to people to engage or disengage with the issue raised as they see fit?

Thank you for your rational response, although the very fact there have been reports - rather than serious engagement - hugely underlines the major issue to which I'm alluding 🙄

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GreyskySexRealistsky · 05/08/2026 13:44

Maybe I need to print myself a t-shirt that says fighting for the freedom to piss in peace.

Yeah, do that. It's not as if anyone will think it's a creepy thing to do.
It could be useful to have people announce their anti-women bias so publicly.

Dadalus · 05/08/2026 13:43

I'm male. Just checking whether you're fighting for my right to use women's toilets and communal changing rooms, or just men who ID as trans? Thanks.

HopeMumsnet · 05/08/2026 13:41

Just to say thanks for the reports about this thread. We think it likely that people will want to post about the EHRC guidance coming into force. From our perspective it's not really up to us to dictate how they feel about it, so we wouldn't automatically remove a thread that raises the issue, even if provocatively proposed. It's up to people to engage or disengage with the issue raised as they see fit?