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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Why are some gender critical feminists praising Rod Liddle?

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Mouldemort · 03/08/2026 16:38

Can anyone give any insight into why gender critical stalwarts such as Kathleen Stock, Julie Bindel and Rosie Duffield are praising Rod Liddle? He was a wife-beating misogynist who argued that it shouldn't be a crime to look at images of child abuse.

It could be they are excusing his behaviour because he was personally nice to them, but honestly I am not sure.

https://x.com/Docstockk/status/2084268019270684830

Kathleen Stock (@Docstockk) on X

Gutted about Rod Liddle, he was a great man. I take huge pride in having been regular contributor to his show, and I appreciated his support for my writing very much. I know full well what the online sisterhood think about this but I don't care in the...

https://x.com/Docstockk/status/2084268019270684830

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SodThisHeadache · 03/08/2026 18:53

I still don't want a smear done by a man who pretends to be a woman.

AstonUniversityPotholeDepartment · 03/08/2026 18:53

Weeellokthen · 03/08/2026 18:44

🙄you know exactly what I fucking meant!!!!
Just to clarify I am v aware that there are many, many, many, many paedophles, globally!!
You know nothing about me having a "charmed life" and being oblivious to the evils of our world.
You really should think before you lecture

If this is your way of saying, "yes, I forgot to put should in", then I'm glad to read it. Thanks for explaining.

lechiffre55 · 03/08/2026 18:47

AstonUniversityPotholeDepartment · 03/08/2026 18:32

I mean that we have multiple people in this thread posting absurd claims that no-one can find Rod Liddle columns funny.

To post such a thing and believe it means that one is ignorant of the existence of child abusers, the reddits devoted to jokes about sexual abuse, and Frankie Boyle's entire comedy career. No-one that ignorant of humanity and popular culture has anything of value to contribute.

The alternative is that they're lying and assuming that no-one will challenge them on their absurdities. By definition, liars don't have anything of value to contribute either.

TY for explaining, you had me proper scratching my head there.
In my opinion I think it was definitely some self depreciating humour on Liddle's part. It was vaguely funny, but not greatly.
While it was a joke I would not be amused at all if he really had done what he said in the joke. It's odd that some people can't tell the difference between a joke and reality. Not keen on the piece arguing for being allowed to look at child porn. I think that's pretty bad, and I refuse to read it. Not sure why it would get published in a national paper.

Lins77 · 03/08/2026 18:46

He was pretty awful, according to my limited knowledge.

But to coin a cliché, even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Weeellokthen · 03/08/2026 18:44

AstonUniversityPotholeDepartment · 03/08/2026 18:09

Did you mean to say "nobody should find an adult [...] fucking funny"?

I don't know what kind of charmed life you'd have to live to literally believe that nobody in the world could find that funny. At a bare minimum, have you stopped to consider that lots of people are out there downloading child abuse imagery, and abusing children for real? Do you genuinely think they get offended by jokes concerning sexual activity with children?

While problems exist in all parts of the world, the United States emerges as a particularly high-risk area. Childlight’s new global index, Into the Light, found high levels of CSAM (child sexual abuse material) hosted there as well as the Netherlands.

Meanwhile, one in nine men in the States (10.9%, equating to almost 14 million men) admitted online sexual offending against children at some point in their lives. Representative surveys found the same said by 7% of men in the UK – equating to 1.8 million offenders – and by 7.5% of men in Australia (nearly 700,000).

Many more across the three countries said they would also seek to commit contact sexual offences against children if they thought it would be kept secret.

https://www.childlight.org/newsroom/over-300-million-children-a-year-are-victims-of-online-sexual-exploitation-and-abuse

🙄you know exactly what I fucking meant!!!!
Just to clarify I am v aware that there are many, many, many, many paedophles, globally!!
You know nothing about me having a "charmed life" and being oblivious to the evils of our world.
You really should think before you lecture

SodThisHeadache · 03/08/2026 18:43

I am still not going to refer to men as 'she'

TwinklyRoseJoker · 03/08/2026 18:43

AstonUniversityPotholeDepartment · 03/08/2026 18:40

Elucidate, s'il vous plaît.

i would rather those saying it IS misogynistic set out their reasoning. So we can all see how flimsy it is.

i mean, we all know what’s going on here, but it’s not for me to explain their thinking is it?

Shloopie · 03/08/2026 18:42

I think I'd maintain a polite silence than think up some lovely words to say about a man who'd assaulted his pregnant partner.

AstonUniversityPotholeDepartment · 03/08/2026 18:40

TwinklyRoseJoker · 03/08/2026 18:38

There is nothing remotely misogynistic about the username: Mouldemort.

Seriously people, just give your heads a wobble, eh?

Elucidate, s'il vous plaît.

BackToLurk · 03/08/2026 18:39

Mouldemort · 03/08/2026 18:19

Why are you putting evidence in inverted commas? He literally wrote a non-humorous article advocating the legalisation of child pornography. Your working class relatives are very different to mine.

"How absurd the law is. But at least it is an appropriate reflection of our collective neurosis and confusion about paedophilia generally. The one laudable and necessary aim - to protect children from abuse - has become warped by our consuming, obsessive hatred for those who find children sexually attractive. There is no causal link between viewing child porn and abusing children. And even if there were, it would not be sufficient, within the philosophy of our judicial system, to simply assume that an unpleasant penchant for the former presupposes guilt of the latter."

Why do you think the Guardian published this?

TwinklyRoseJoker · 03/08/2026 18:38

There is nothing remotely misogynistic about the username: Mouldemort.

Seriously people, just give your heads a wobble, eh?

RogueFemale · 03/08/2026 18:37

nicepotoftea · 03/08/2026 17:08

They aren't excusing his behaviour.

They are saying something nice about somebody they know who has died.

Human beings have complicated relationships with other people, particularly off line.

Yes.

AstonUniversityPotholeDepartment · 03/08/2026 18:36

Speaking of reddit, I think we've got two redditors here, judging by those two consecutive posts that just appeared about JS.

GinaandGin · 03/08/2026 18:35

WallaceinAnderland · 03/08/2026 17:05

Never speak ill of the dead. Talk of dancing and pissing on people's graves is beyond the pale. At the end of the day, no one's opinion really matters, we'll all be gone when our time comes.

Nonsense
Old fashioned out dated piffle
So we shouldn't speak ill of Jimmy Saville then
Or episten
Maybe we should ban history on schools because it talks ill of dead people

jobnotsure · 03/08/2026 18:34

WallaceinAnderland · 03/08/2026 17:05

Never speak ill of the dead. Talk of dancing and pissing on people's graves is beyond the pale. At the end of the day, no one's opinion really matters, we'll all be gone when our time comes.

What a load of nonsense... I bet you wouldn't take that view about Jimmy Savile

AstonUniversityPotholeDepartment · 03/08/2026 18:32

lechiffre55 · 03/08/2026 18:21

I've read this several times to try and understand what you are saying. I'm sorry but I still don't know what you were trying to say.

I mean that we have multiple people in this thread posting absurd claims that no-one can find Rod Liddle columns funny.

To post such a thing and believe it means that one is ignorant of the existence of child abusers, the reddits devoted to jokes about sexual abuse, and Frankie Boyle's entire comedy career. No-one that ignorant of humanity and popular culture has anything of value to contribute.

The alternative is that they're lying and assuming that no-one will challenge them on their absurdities. By definition, liars don't have anything of value to contribute either.

DworkinWasRight · 03/08/2026 18:27

Damn those women for being generous enough to see someone’s good side.

Screamingabdabz · 03/08/2026 18:26

Mouldemort · 03/08/2026 18:19

Why are you putting evidence in inverted commas? He literally wrote a non-humorous article advocating the legalisation of child pornography. Your working class relatives are very different to mine.

"How absurd the law is. But at least it is an appropriate reflection of our collective neurosis and confusion about paedophilia generally. The one laudable and necessary aim - to protect children from abuse - has become warped by our consuming, obsessive hatred for those who find children sexually attractive. There is no causal link between viewing child porn and abusing children. And even if there were, it would not be sufficient, within the philosophy of our judicial system, to simply assume that an unpleasant penchant for the former presupposes guilt of the latter."

Yeah fair enough. If he said that I can’t defend it. Still enjoyed most of his writing though. And I still think a lot of it was tongue in cheek agitating to stir up the liberals.

AstonUniversityPotholeDepartment · 03/08/2026 18:25

LizzieSiddal · 03/08/2026 18:15

FFS it was not a joke! Have you read the extract of him posted upthread, where he writes about shagging Y10s- they are 14/15 years old.

He was great at supporting women against the trans nonesense. We can also say he beat women up and fantasised about shagging teenage girls. In my world that makes him pretty awful person. Others will disagree but don’t fob off his awfulness.

Never met Rod Liddle, never going to get the opportunity, can't comment on his qualities as a human being.

However the extract provided is definitely intended to be amusing and deliberately shocking at the same time. Whether you find that funny is a matter of personal taste, but I don't see the purpose in pretending he wasn't clearly trying to be funny.

AnAutumnCrow · 03/08/2026 18:21

nicepotoftea · 03/08/2026 18:13

Apparently the Guardian thought it was OK to publish. Maybe ask them?

Yes ASK THE BLOODY GUARDIAN

lechiffre55 · 03/08/2026 18:21

AstonUniversityPotholeDepartment · 03/08/2026 18:15

Personally, I can't put any value on the opinions of people whose posts imply they are either unaware of the prevalence of child abuse, or that they assume that child abusers are tutting disapprovingly at Rod Liddle columns in between clicking on footage of children being tortured.

I've read this several times to try and understand what you are saying. I'm sorry but I still don't know what you were trying to say.

Mouldemort · 03/08/2026 18:19

Screamingabdabz · 03/08/2026 18:14

I’m sad he died. He may have been flawed but he was a brilliant writer.

The pieces that have been quoted on here as ‘evidence’ of his wrongs, and anything I ever read that was near the knuckle, was pure working class irony. If you’re not from a WC background you won’t get it.

And like WC people, he could bluntly call out wank-think nonsense, and he did. Hence his GC stance.

RIP

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Why are you putting evidence in inverted commas? He literally wrote a non-humorous article advocating the legalisation of child pornography. Your working class relatives are very different to mine.

"How absurd the law is. But at least it is an appropriate reflection of our collective neurosis and confusion about paedophilia generally. The one laudable and necessary aim - to protect children from abuse - has become warped by our consuming, obsessive hatred for those who find children sexually attractive. There is no causal link between viewing child porn and abusing children. And even if there were, it would not be sufficient, within the philosophy of our judicial system, to simply assume that an unpleasant penchant for the former presupposes guilt of the latter."

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Brainworm · 03/08/2026 18:17

Society as a whole needs to stop positioning people as sinners and saints. People can hold wildly differing views on subjects and still find common ground and treat people with respect.

I imagine that if you appear on someone’s show, or are interviewed by someone who is polite, respectful and clearly has a lot of life in them, and then they die suddenly, you might want to share some kind words.

AstonUniversityPotholeDepartment · 03/08/2026 18:15

lechiffre55 · 03/08/2026 18:10

It's weird when these threads happen. All sorts of usernames I don't remember ever seeing before on MN just magically pop out of the woodwork. Usually to condemn others.

Personally, I can't put any value on the opinions of people whose posts imply they are either unaware of the prevalence of child abuse, or that they assume that child abusers are tutting disapprovingly at Rod Liddle columns in between clicking on footage of children being tortured.

LizzieSiddal · 03/08/2026 18:15

WrongKindOfFeminist · 03/08/2026 17:32

This is what we used to call 'a joke'.

FFS it was not a joke! Have you read the extract of him posted upthread, where he writes about shagging Y10s- they are 14/15 years old.

He was great at supporting women against the trans nonesense. We can also say he beat women up and fantasised about shagging teenage girls. In my world that makes him pretty awful person. Others will disagree but don’t fob off his awfulness.