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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Why are some gender critical feminists praising Rod Liddle?

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Mouldemort · 03/08/2026 16:38

Can anyone give any insight into why gender critical stalwarts such as Kathleen Stock, Julie Bindel and Rosie Duffield are praising Rod Liddle? He was a wife-beating misogynist who argued that it shouldn't be a crime to look at images of child abuse.

It could be they are excusing his behaviour because he was personally nice to them, but honestly I am not sure.

https://x.com/Docstockk/status/2084268019270684830

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Gutted about Rod Liddle, he was a great man. I take huge pride in having been regular contributor to his show, and I appreciated his support for my writing very much. I know full well what the online sisterhood think about this but I don't care in the...

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ErrolTheDragon · 03/08/2026 20:24

BackToLurk · 03/08/2026 20:16

He was left wing at some point. He worked for the Labour Party.

He stood as an SDP candidate, so I guess centre left?

Jane379 · 03/08/2026 20:17

dolorsit · 03/08/2026 20:10

I was responding to the question as to why the guardian published it. I am not saying I agreed with Liddle’s view point, just pointing out that it was not the complete outlier that it would be today.

I can’t remember the specific views of the right wing press so I can’t speak to that. My impression that it wasn’t a left vs right issue (hence my reference to libertarians)

My social circles were left wing and it was predominantly the men who had objections. To be fair they may have taking the reasonable devils advocate position so common at the time when feminists discussed anything.

Do you remember the political debate at the time? Was it just generally accepted as a good thing in your circle?

Sorry, I'm older Gen Z so I was too young to participate in that debate.

I understand some right wingers supported it, but right wing is a broad church and if these views were common in Liddle's circle. I will look up though further.

BackToLurk · 03/08/2026 20:16

Jane379 · 03/08/2026 19:48

Rod Liddle wasn't left wing or libertarian, though, was he?

I don't think this was a common view among UK right wingers, especially not the social conservative wing Liddle seemed to align with.

I don't think it being a common view at the time is really a defence. If viewing child Abu images were not a crime, a lot of dangerous people would be walking around free- and enough do as it is.

He was left wing at some point. He worked for the Labour Party.

Jane379 · 03/08/2026 20:15

MabelAnderson · 03/08/2026 20:02

Unlike most or all of the people on this thread, I am a friend of Rod’s, and no, he did not beat up his wife.

I'm sorry for your loss. 💐

From what I have read, it seems that his wife herself publicly said he had not been violent towards her. Otoh, while I understand you were friends with him, I don't think that necessarily means you can know what occurred within his marriage. Men who are physically or otherwise abusive usually do not show that side to friends or wider family.

I'm not commenting on Liddle specifically here as I don't know enough about the situation.
But I think in general it's very hard for outsiders to know if a marriage is abusive or not, even if they are friends with one party.

dolorsit · 03/08/2026 20:10

Jane379 · 03/08/2026 19:48

Rod Liddle wasn't left wing or libertarian, though, was he?

I don't think this was a common view among UK right wingers, especially not the social conservative wing Liddle seemed to align with.

I don't think it being a common view at the time is really a defence. If viewing child Abu images were not a crime, a lot of dangerous people would be walking around free- and enough do as it is.

I was responding to the question as to why the guardian published it. I am not saying I agreed with Liddle’s view point, just pointing out that it was not the complete outlier that it would be today.

I can’t remember the specific views of the right wing press so I can’t speak to that. My impression that it wasn’t a left vs right issue (hence my reference to libertarians)

My social circles were left wing and it was predominantly the men who had objections. To be fair they may have taking the reasonable devils advocate position so common at the time when feminists discussed anything.

Do you remember the political debate at the time? Was it just generally accepted as a good thing in your circle?

BackToLurk · 03/08/2026 20:10

MabelAnderson · 03/08/2026 20:02

Unlike most or all of the people on this thread, I am a friend of Rod’s, and no, he did not beat up his wife.

Lot of people very concerned about the Alicia of 20 years ago unable to find an ounce of compassion for her as a relatively young widow.

MabelAnderson · 03/08/2026 20:10

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/08/2026 20:06

I’m sorry for your loss and for his children. I lost my own dad very suddenly who was a couple of years younger than Rod, it was devastating.

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Thank you.
I am sorry for your loss too. Losing your Dad like that must have been so hard. My Dad also died very suddenly but at a more expected age, in his seventies, it does take a long time to process the shock.

Jane379 · 03/08/2026 20:10

RoyalCorgi · 03/08/2026 19:03

One of the things you realise as a feminist is that most men are misogynistic to a degree. You have to accept it otherwise you'd go mad. So yes, I found Liddle's views to be offensively misogynistic at times. But on the plus side, he refused to believe that men could be women, which, whatever his other views, placed him well ahead of all the left-wing politicians, actors, journalists, academics, trade unionists, comedians etc who pretend to believe that men can be women.

Gender ideology is as misogynistic as it comes - any man who claims to believe that men can be women has absolutely no right at all attacking Liddle for being a misogynist. Because however misogynistic he was, he is still by an order of magnitude less misogynistic than you, you utter prick.

I get what you're saying but I think it's a bit too lenient to excuse writing the kind of stuff Liddle did on a national platform on the grounds 'all men are like that'.

Incidentally, I was reading Vicky Pryce's book Prisonomics (I'm sceptical of her personally but the book has excellent info on women's prisons back in 2011). I read up a bit onto the reasons why she went to prison, which I vaguely remembered, and Liddle's article about Trimingham struck me as pretty prejudiced against lesbian relationships, with the mockery of her appearance as masculine.

https://spectator.com/article/what-makes-me-feel-sorry-for-chris-huhne/

He was no doubt pleasant to Stock as they were allies against gender woo but if they had met in a context where they were in opposition he likely would have mocked her as a masculine lesbian too- though I'd like to think his views became less prejudiced.

His opening words about Harriet Harman in thus column, whatever your opinions on her, seem pretty misogynistic too :

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20091204030420/www.spectator.co.uk/essays/5244693/harriet-harman-is-either-thick-or-criminally-disingenuous.thtml" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20091204030420/www.spectator.co.uk/essays/5244693/harriet-harman-is-either-thick-or-criminally-disingenuous.thtml

(The Spectator conveniently removed the article from their website so I had to give the archival link).

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/08/2026 20:06

MabelAnderson · 03/08/2026 20:02

Unlike most or all of the people on this thread, I am a friend of Rod’s, and no, he did not beat up his wife.

I’m sorry for your loss and for his children. I lost my own dad very suddenly who was a couple of years younger than Rod, it was devastating.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 03/08/2026 20:03

I'm shocked to hear this, I was listening to him on a podcast only a few weeks ago. I mostly enjoyed listening to him, him could talk a load of rubbish sometimes but he was also perceptive and far thinking on a lot of things.

My condolences to his family, his contributions to the discussion about the battshitery that has captured so many empty minds will be missed.

Regardless of his alleged faults, there are many on here who are putting their, all too obvious, faults on full display. Any of them who think they're better than RL are sadly mistaken, but then being mistaken is their default setting.

MabelAnderson · 03/08/2026 20:02

SodThisHeadache · 03/08/2026 19:15

I don't think I've seen evidence that Rod Liddle 'beat his wife' though there does seem to have been a heated argument between them in which he possibly became aggressive. That's not a good reflection on him.

I still don't want children to be led to believe their personalities or interests mean they aren't their real sex and should become lifelong patients to attain a fantasy of changing sex.

Unlike most or all of the people on this thread, I am a friend of Rod’s, and no, he did not beat up his wife.

SingleSexMattersInCharity · 03/08/2026 20:01

@Mouldemort a trans women ex-friend of mine was all in favour of people (men) using real life sex dolls and what he called child pornography to meet “their needs” and his trans friends told me that imagining sex with children was just the same as me imagining sex with an adult fictional character.

i informed him that viewing images of CSAM was a crime and involved real children. I’ve since blocked him. Reported him to the NSPCC and raised him as a safeguarding risk (he likes to offer blockers and cross sex hormones to under age kids).

what do you think about that?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/08/2026 19:58

Lins77 · 03/08/2026 18:46

He was pretty awful, according to my limited knowledge.

But to coin a cliché, even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Exactly.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/08/2026 19:56

See also “JKR should be arrested for upskirting”

Duckyfondant · 03/08/2026 19:56

Emilesgran · 03/08/2026 19:21

17 and 18 year olds? Maybe you live under a rock, but lots of men find girls that age sexually attractive. It doesn’t mean they would act on the impulse though. As indeed he didn’t either.

No, that's 14/15

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/08/2026 19:56

AstonUniversityPotholeDepartment · 03/08/2026 19:27

That's... incredibly pathetic.

Not a bug, a feature

Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/08/2026 19:51

likelysuspect · 03/08/2026 19:46

Does it?

How so, its a play on Voldemort isnt it? I presume because Voldemort is quite a porpular username I would have thought.

Do you know what the TRA “mould” nonsense was about?

Jane379 · 03/08/2026 19:50

NotTerfNorCis · 03/08/2026 19:09

Why do people on the left defend Frankie Boyle? He's also said some vile things about women. Both men used 'entertainment ' as their excuse.

I certainly don't! I suspect most left wing people on FWR don't either. Unfortunately far too many defend people like Boyle on the grounds it's just a joke : similar to shock jocks like Howard Stern or Rush Limbaugh historically in the US..

Jane379 · 03/08/2026 19:48

dolorsit · 03/08/2026 19:39

Because in 2003 when this article was published the attitude towards images of CSA was very different, you can tell that from the language used “child porn.”

The bulk of the article is written in a humorous/satirical manner and seems to be pointing out (in his view) the ludicrousness that viewing such images may not necessarily be a crime if you had a good reason to view them or it was an accident, essentially that we were creating thought crime.

It was a very common view amongst left wing men, I know this as I argued with enough of them. There were arguments about the criminalisation of watching porn involving teenagers over the age of consent but still classed as minors. That artwork or innocent pictures of babies in the bath could be classed as “child porn”

There were also free speech and freedom of the press arguments from the libertarians.

The view point of pedophilia being a sexual orientation was still hanging around and it was unfair to criminalise people for something that they couldn’t help. Viewing images was considered to be a passive act.

It was a very different time and I am grateful that we are more enlightened now and attitudes have changed. But I will not condemn someone for writing what was not an uncommon view point at that time.

I doubt very much i read the article at the time of publication as I considered Liddle to be leftie rage bait and read little of his work. Although I did occasionally smirk at his jabs at the hypocrisy of the left.

Rod Liddle wasn't left wing or libertarian, though, was he?

I don't think this was a common view among UK right wingers, especially not the social conservative wing Liddle seemed to align with.

I don't think it being a common view at the time is really a defence. If viewing child Abu images were not a crime, a lot of dangerous people would be walking around free- and enough do as it is.

lechiffre55 · 03/08/2026 19:47

likelysuspect · 03/08/2026 19:46

Does it?

How so, its a play on Voldemort isnt it? I presume because Voldemort is quite a porpular username I would have thought.

@Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g explained it well upthread on this page.

likelysuspect · 03/08/2026 19:47

Shortshriftandlethal · 03/08/2026 19:39

You are not seriously comparing Rod Liddle to tyrants and serial killers - whose acts of violence and murder came, understandably, to over-ride any more positive qualities they may have had in life?

Most people are incredibly complex and multi-faceted: we all contain varying degrees of light and darker qualities - but that doesn't make us 'bad people'. Who knows what Rod Liddle was like in his personal life, and how he treated people he came across - but he obviously amused and impressed many with his writing columns and was obviously professional enough to have had a long standing career.

The same as with Ann Widdicombe - you don't have to agree with everything she said, or with her political beliefs, but it is still entirely possible to pay respects to a decent human being who stood up for what she believed in, and who brought a smile to the faces of many.

Can you stand by everything you have ever written in jest, or in seriousness, on social media or anywhere else and honestly say it all reflects well on you?

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No. Im talking about the sentiment. As I said in the post.

likelysuspect · 03/08/2026 19:46

lechiffre55 · 03/08/2026 19:18

I think they ask because it sounds a bit like someone trying to have a pop at JKR through their username.

Does it?

How so, its a play on Voldemort isnt it? I presume because Voldemort is quite a porpular username I would have thought.

lechiffre55 · 03/08/2026 19:45

Jonathan Swift wrote the essay A Modest Proposal in 1729 that advocated poor Irish families sell their children to rich people as food.

Sometimes context can really important.

lechiffre55 · 03/08/2026 19:40

zanahoria · 03/08/2026 19:34

It always makes me laugh when TRAs give away that despite their dislike of JKR they are still obsessed with Harry Potter

I think I saw like a news story about a guy in America who makes money by rebinding Harry Potter books with new front and back covers to remove JKR's name from the book then sells them on. I assume any pages with her name get ripped out too.
No matter how nuts you think these people are, you are vastly underestimating.

Shortshriftandlethal · 03/08/2026 19:39

likelysuspect · 03/08/2026 19:00

Yes me too, Ive never really understood the sentiment either.

Hitler? What about him in the aftermath?
Saddam Hussein?
Harold Shipman?

You are not seriously comparing Rod Liddle to tyrants and serial killers - whose acts of violence and murder came, understandably, to over-ride any more positive qualities they may have had in life?

Most people are incredibly complex and multi-faceted: we all contain varying degrees of light and darker qualities - but that doesn't make us 'bad people'. Who knows what Rod Liddle was like in his personal life, and how he treated people he came across - but he obviously amused and impressed many with his writing columns and was obviously professional enough to have had a long standing career.

The same as with Ann Widdicombe - you don't have to agree with everything she said, or with her political beliefs, but it is still entirely possible to pay respects to a decent human being who stood up for what she believed in, and who brought a smile to the faces of many.

Can you stand by everything you have ever written in jest, or in seriousness, on social media or anywhere else and honestly say it all reflects well on you?