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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Why are some gender critical feminists praising Rod Liddle?

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Mouldemort · 03/08/2026 16:38

Can anyone give any insight into why gender critical stalwarts such as Kathleen Stock, Julie Bindel and Rosie Duffield are praising Rod Liddle? He was a wife-beating misogynist who argued that it shouldn't be a crime to look at images of child abuse.

It could be they are excusing his behaviour because he was personally nice to them, but honestly I am not sure.

https://x.com/Docstockk/status/2084268019270684830

Kathleen Stock (@Docstockk) on X

Gutted about Rod Liddle, he was a great man. I take huge pride in having been regular contributor to his show, and I appreciated his support for my writing very much. I know full well what the online sisterhood think about this but I don't care in the...

https://x.com/Docstockk/status/2084268019270684830

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KitchenFaust · 04/08/2026 07:29

WallaceinAnderland · 03/08/2026 17:05

Never speak ill of the dead. Talk of dancing and pissing on people's graves is beyond the pale. At the end of the day, no one's opinion really matters, we'll all be gone when our time comes.

Does this mean we should never speak ill of Hitler? Or Stalin? Or Ted Bundy? Charles Manson? Why shouldn’t we speak ill of the dead? What is the thought process?

OtterlyAstounding · 04/08/2026 04:12

No clue who this fellow is (was) but I'm not sure of the point you're trying to make, OP.

Obviously everyone is going to have some opinions we find distasteful or downright abhorrent, which is why we probably shouldn't put people on pedestals, but rather value ideas and principles on their own merits, no matter whose lips they come from.

So a few gender critical women may have kind words to say about a man who's crass and misogynist (again, I know nothing about him, so I don't know) - what's that got to do with the fact that men can't become women, or that men shouldn't be in female spaces?

TempestTost · 04/08/2026 03:57

BackToLurk · 03/08/2026 21:44

He was, I believe, specifically referring to the laws around viewing rather than possession of sexual images of children. As someone else says, this wasn’t just something that only Liddle was talking about at that time. I’m not even sure that ‘just’ viewing images was illegal everywhere then.

This was a major subject at that time, and a lot of people were thinking in terms of overreach.

There was a Simpsons episode where a bunch of ladies end up trying to ban David-the statue, from coming to their town. A heck of a lot of people agreed with that concern. Especially on the left .the public discourse was about where to draw the line.

AstonUniversityPotholeDepartment · 04/08/2026 00:21

If people are asking, I clearly remember passionately arguing with men on the internet back in 2003-2005 who were claiming that viewing child abuse images was a victimless crime. It wasn't an uncommon view to espouse back then, and I remember being shouted down for my view that sharing images of rape was further abuse. I also remember a similar article being published in a student rag of the time by a young man who thought he was vair clever.

Incidentally, that's why a female-dominated website like mumsnet has been so powerful. On mumsnet, the default perspective was to remember that the child in the images is a real person whose suffering has been caught on film and to empathise with that child, instead of empathising with the viewer. For me, joining MN was like drinking from a clear fresh well after becoming used to brackish water.

Theyreeatingthedogs · 04/08/2026 00:04

BackToLurk · 03/08/2026 22:28

It’s not an excuse. It’s context. The fact the article was published in a mainstream left of centre paper is an indication that this wasn’t a view that was completely beyond the pale at that time.

It was way beyond my pale at the time. Did you think it was reasonable?

Weeallthewayhome · 03/08/2026 23:33

I had the pleasure of briefly knowing him. He was kind and funny with a lot of common sense. He was absolutely pro women’s rights and worshipped the mother of his daughter.

He had no time for fools or ignorant types and rightly took the piss out of people for espousing fashionable views with no roots in reality.

He didn’t believe a bird could have a willy.

His writing was erudite and stinging and I rarely read a piece he published without both laughing and expanding my vocabulary.

BackToLurk · 03/08/2026 22:55

PollyNomial · 03/08/2026 22:37

Why and how do you think images like that get made?!

They get made by abusing children for profit and the titillation of "people" like Liddle.

People are rightly jailed for such activity and this sort of imagery was made illegal in the Protection of Children Act 1978, which predates his ghastly screed by decades.

Stop excusing horrible people doing horrible things.

As for those supposed "protect the children" folk currently dishing out praise...

I’ve already said I don’t agree with Liddle. For the record Townshend wasn’t jailed. He was cautioned, because he had viewed rather than downloaded images. Again, this is the context that Liddle was writing in. Liddle’s argument being that viewing alone shouldn’t be an offence. (Again for the hard of thinking, I think he is wrong)

www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/may/08/arts.ukcrime

cymruyespls · 03/08/2026 22:52

PollyNomial · 03/08/2026 22:37

Why and how do you think images like that get made?!

They get made by abusing children for profit and the titillation of "people" like Liddle.

People are rightly jailed for such activity and this sort of imagery was made illegal in the Protection of Children Act 1978, which predates his ghastly screed by decades.

Stop excusing horrible people doing horrible things.

As for those supposed "protect the children" folk currently dishing out praise...

Wtf are you actually yapping about? You can’t possibly think that poster was condoning the idea of viewing CSA images.
Why on earth are you trying to make out like she was excusing the idea of doing something so despicable when we can all read her post for ourselves and see that’s not the case?

PollyNomial · 03/08/2026 22:37

BackToLurk · 03/08/2026 21:44

He was, I believe, specifically referring to the laws around viewing rather than possession of sexual images of children. As someone else says, this wasn’t just something that only Liddle was talking about at that time. I’m not even sure that ‘just’ viewing images was illegal everywhere then.

Why and how do you think images like that get made?!

They get made by abusing children for profit and the titillation of "people" like Liddle.

People are rightly jailed for such activity and this sort of imagery was made illegal in the Protection of Children Act 1978, which predates his ghastly screed by decades.

Stop excusing horrible people doing horrible things.

As for those supposed "protect the children" folk currently dishing out praise...

BackToLurk · 03/08/2026 22:28

Jane379 · 03/08/2026 22:14

'As someone else says, this wasn’t just something that only Liddle was talking about at that time. I’m not even sure that ‘just’ viewing images was illegal everywhere then'

  • I don't think that's an excuse. After all, TRA beliefs have been supported by many, for one thing, that doesn't excuse media figure who support them.
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It’s not an excuse. It’s context. The fact the article was published in a mainstream left of centre paper is an indication that this wasn’t a view that was completely beyond the pale at that time.

Jane379 · 03/08/2026 22:14

BackToLurk · 03/08/2026 21:44

He was, I believe, specifically referring to the laws around viewing rather than possession of sexual images of children. As someone else says, this wasn’t just something that only Liddle was talking about at that time. I’m not even sure that ‘just’ viewing images was illegal everywhere then.

'As someone else says, this wasn’t just something that only Liddle was talking about at that time. I’m not even sure that ‘just’ viewing images was illegal everywhere then'

  • I don't think that's an excuse. After all, TRA beliefs have been supported by many, for one thing, that doesn't excuse media figure who support them.
Jane379 · 03/08/2026 22:12

BackToLurk · 03/08/2026 20:16

He was left wing at some point. He worked for the Labour Party.

I see, thank you. It seems he wrote for the Guardian into the 2000s, I hadn't realised that. That makes sense and may help explain- not excuse- his column on CSA images.

I knew him as a columnist for The Sun & The Times , and associate editor for the Spectator, so I wasn't aware he was left wing until relatively recently.

BackToLurk · 03/08/2026 21:50

LizzieSiddal · 03/08/2026 21:47

FFs stop trying to justify this. Any right thinking person would think it was reprehensible to view child sex abuse images, whether it was illegal or not. I can’t believe some of the posts on this thread.

I’m not justifying anything. Learn to read.

LizzieSiddal · 03/08/2026 21:47

BackToLurk · 03/08/2026 21:44

He was, I believe, specifically referring to the laws around viewing rather than possession of sexual images of children. As someone else says, this wasn’t just something that only Liddle was talking about at that time. I’m not even sure that ‘just’ viewing images was illegal everywhere then.

FFs stop trying to justify this. Any right thinking person would think it was reprehensible to view child sex abuse images, whether it was illegal or not. I can’t believe some of the posts on this thread.

SparklyPeaches · 03/08/2026 21:45

The high and mighty scolder actually returned to the thread, for once. How blessed we all are.

BackToLurk · 03/08/2026 21:44

ladygindiva · 03/08/2026 21:27

Because he joked about shagging school kids and opposed child pornograohy laws

He was, I believe, specifically referring to the laws around viewing rather than possession of sexual images of children. As someone else says, this wasn’t just something that only Liddle was talking about at that time. I’m not even sure that ‘just’ viewing images was illegal everywhere then.

WrongKindOfFeminist · 03/08/2026 21:44

I think creating a username specifically to call a woman who was a victim of domestic violence 'Mouldemort' is reprehensible, but hey ho.

Mouldemort · 03/08/2026 21:40

SingleSexMattersInCharity · 03/08/2026 20:01

@Mouldemort a trans women ex-friend of mine was all in favour of people (men) using real life sex dolls and what he called child pornography to meet “their needs” and his trans friends told me that imagining sex with children was just the same as me imagining sex with an adult fictional character.

i informed him that viewing images of CSAM was a crime and involved real children. I’ve since blocked him. Reported him to the NSPCC and raised him as a safeguarding risk (he likes to offer blockers and cross sex hormones to under age kids).

what do you think about that?

If that's true, then your friend and their friends are reprehensible.

But then so would anyone who called them "great people" if they died just because they'd supported some of their views and were fun to have a drink with.

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ladygindiva · 03/08/2026 21:27

AnneLovesGilbert · 03/08/2026 17:23

He has loads of GC guests on his times radio show, Rosie, Kemi, Kathleen all appeared more than once. He was consistently strong and vocal on women’s rights in this context. Why wouldn’t they be sad at his death?

Because he joked about shagging school kids and opposed child pornograohy laws

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 03/08/2026 21:05

Shloopie · 03/08/2026 20:56

He admitted the offence.

Strange times when the MN 'feminism' board is getting irate at people pointing out such facts. Domestic abuse is ok when it's by someone you like? Gotcha.

Have you read the article quoted twice now on this thread?

The row, Liddle admitted, had been explosive - but he denied hitting Monckton. "We had this row and we were shouting at each other. I said, 'Well, phone the police', and she said she would. I thought she was only joking. She didn't talk to them, just hung up. An hour later the coppers got here. She begged them to go away, but they wouldn't." Monckton confirmed that she hadn't been hurt. "There was a physical struggle with a suitcase, but he didn't hit me," she said.

I hold no brief for the man. He was clearly an absolute shit to his first wife. But this incident got a lot of publicity at the time. As far as I can see his first wife has not accused him of being violent to her (one of the few things she hasn't accused him of), and neither has any other woman. Alice Monckton went into print to say he hadn't hit her. Liddell accepted a caution, very unwisely, because he wanted to get out of the police station. He wasn't the first person to do that and he won't be the last.

Shloopie · 03/08/2026 20:56

SodThisHeadache · 03/08/2026 20:52

@MabelAnderson

Sorry for your loss. So much hyperbolic language and labelling by the OP and flying monkeys ' they say 'wife beater' like it's the unassailable truth.

We see it all the time on here - 'racist', 'homophobe' and it's case closed

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He admitted the offence.

Strange times when the MN 'feminism' board is getting irate at people pointing out such facts. Domestic abuse is ok when it's by someone you like? Gotcha.

SodThisHeadache · 03/08/2026 20:52

@MabelAnderson

Sorry for your loss. So much hyperbolic language and labelling by the OP and flying monkeys ' they say 'wife beater' like it's the unassailable truth.

We see it all the time on here - 'racist', 'homophobe' and it's case closed

Abhannmor · 03/08/2026 20:49

Hmm yes @JoanOgden bit like the late A A Gill or Giles Coren ? Or for older readers , Auberon Waugh I suppose.

JoanOgden · 03/08/2026 20:43

I read Rod Liddle's Sunday Times column occasionally and found about 10% of it very witty and spot on, and the rest horrible, sneering and borderline racist.

There's an interview with him here which reflects both sides of the argument: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jun/13/rod-liddle-im-not-a-bigot

And some quotes from him here, including those he posted under a username he thought was anonymous: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2010/jan/22/rod-liddle-quip-auschwitz-millwall

Rod Liddle interview: 'I'm not a bigot'

Simon Hattenstone: Since his days editing Radio 4's Today programme, Rod Liddle has made a career out of controversy. His new book is no exception and has led to, er, mixed reviews and accusations of bigotry. So is he? A bigot?

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jun/13/rod-liddle-im-not-a-bigot

Abhannmor · 03/08/2026 20:24

Rosie Duffield sounds much more mature and tolerant than me. Probably too intelligent to be an MP. What happened to Liddle I wonder? As editor of Today on Radio 4 he looked like the guitarist in a Britpop band , all boyish good looks. He seems to have morphed into a cartoonish ,raddled right wing hulk.

He took the Murdoch shilling I suppose...tis a curse !