If 65.5% of trans people say they are non-binary how are they trans and why are they bothered by the Supreme Court ruling

They want to be part of the crowd without actually doing anything other than having a stupid, dyed blue, hair cut.

I’ve always been baffled by the non binary crowd.

As far as I can tell they believe that they don’t have either a male or female gender identity - which is what all the gender critical feminists that I know also believe.

The difference seems to be that the non-binary crowd believe that everybody else does have a strong gender identity and that they are special and interesting because they don’t - so really it’s not about how they feel, it’s about how they (incorrectly) think other people feel?

I got speaking to a 'non-binary' woman (she and her 4 friends approached me at a women's event to note a year since the Supreme Court Ruling) who was incensed on behalf of her male friends about them not being allowed to go wherever they wanted. How dare we cast aspersions on them?

I asked her whether she'd want my lovely husband (a man who I trust as much as she trusts her TIM friends) to be in an enclosed space where she was partially or fully undressed . She got rather annoyed with me, and said Transwomen Are Women in lieu of a rational debate.

In addition, she feels that using the women's toilets does not recognise her non-binariness but won't use the mens' because she does not feel comfortable there. She knows she'd not a woman. I told her transactivists (male ones, mostly, probably) had rejected Third Spaces

She told me she's been uncomfortable with her body from the moment (and she identified the moment it happened) when she was told she'd have to wear a top on the beach but her brother didn't. She's had a mastectomy.

I sympathised and told her that a lot of the women (Old Hags probably in her eyes) at the event could empathise but their answer wasn't to opt out of womanhood. She most definitely didn't want to talk to the young lesbians at the event.
She went away crying. It's sad really, but the desire to get everyone to bend to her own personal mental struggles was off the scale.

The UK Census cost around £900 million. Imagine if that money had been spent helping children or doing something useful. But the ONS have had to admit that the data was inaccurate because they let a transwoman ask the questions about gender and so they were incomprehensible to all the people who speak English as a second language and all the people who have reading difficulties.

As a result, 30% of the people who said they were trans in the Census are people who speak English as a foreign language.

This figure seems highly unlikely. We still can't say for certain how many people identify as non binary, but it seems likely that they outnumber people who identify as trans.

Never before has such a tiny minority had so much time and money lavished on them.

^^ Mistake in post above. In para 3 it should read "she knows she's not a man"

Another thread on this https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5558208-most-trans-people-are-non-binary-eu-survey?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=app_share

There’s no point expecting any consistency and logic or meaning to terms. It all means exactly what the individual wants it to mean at any given time, except when they want it to mean something else.

In a nutshell, yes.

Less opportunities for the endless me me me drama this group craves then, though.

This seems a good place for this quote:

“When theory becomes an impediment to action, it is time to discard the theory and return naked, that is, without theory, to the world of reality. People become slaves to theory because people are used to meeting expectations they have not originated—to doing what they are told, to having everything mapped out, to having reality prepackaged. People can have antiauthoritarian intention and yet function in a way totally consonant with the demands of authority. The deepest struggle is to root out of us and the institutions in which we participate the requirement that we slavishly conform. But an adherence to ideology, any ideology, can give us the grand illusion of freedom when in fact we are being manipulated and used by those whom the theory serves.”
― Andrea Dworkin, Letters from a War Zone

I've never been interested in much that is mainstream, I'm usually on the fringes, not because I am taking a stance, it's just where my interest lies. I find it quite strange that people who are adhering to what has become mainstream and orthodox think they are part of something new and edgy and progressive. They aren't, they've just generated a new mainstream and are acting in an authoritarian way trying to impose it on everyone else whilst depserately maintaining in their minds their status as the, what I wonder? New, edgy, progressive and, importantly, oppressed.

It's like the graffiti artist and Canterbury Cathedral, there's nothing edgy about graffiti, it's been in art galleries for decades, it's very mainstream and not rebellious. I doubt the person who made that particular effort has ever tagged a railway bridge, it's more like running into the choir and shouting "Bum!"

This is a very compliant sort of movement, slavish conformity seems to me to describe it very well, as does the freedom being illusory and the manipulation. I remember when people were expressing their individuality with an ipod and a tattoo, which was also illusory.

It's very strange to me. I know one non-binary person who is clearly female, has a female name, long hair, makeup, female clothes, but gets highly offended if anyone refers to her as "she" rather than "they". What's that all about?

This is the issue, a lot of it is to do with their mental health. They need counselling to understand childhood issues and trauma, not surgery! I’ve said this for years!! That’s why after surgery and they finally go to counselling and heal, understand their trauma, they end up reversing back!

@IwantToRetire · Today 19:43

In answer to your above posts, two thoughts

1. They haven't thought it through. It's just mindless protest

2. Most of them are female and have been socialised to put men before their own interests, so what the men in their movement want is what they'll fight for.

Edited to add: my evidence for this is anecdotal - the women at the dyke march (actual females) who were carrying 'protect the dolls' placards and following along with whatever the large man (definitely not a dyke) with the megaphone was chanting. As at all events I've been to where there's chanting.

Power tripping

The new Mayor of Manchester identifies as a non binary lesbian 🤯. She rejects being a woman but calls herself something only a woman can be.
How they don't see how mindlessly stupid this ideology is, is testimony to how much the Koolaid rots the brain.

Maybe they just want to go for a piss like everyone else

just knobheads.

Which they can easily already do. So what's the issue?

You hit the nail on the head.

I don’t see one myself, but given the unfathomable obsession with the supreme court ruling and toilets it’s apparently a massive issue for many.